Singer 133K - Information Wanted

[Singermania]

Hi, haven't been on in a while, been flat out. Thrilled to bits with the Singer 133K8, 10 and 17 manual...!!! You are a real lifesaver, I have two 133K17s and didn't have the manual for them. Thanks so much. Best Regards Steve

[Constabulary]

What you mean with X - Y axis with step motor? I know what X and Y axis is but I cannot get the relation to a sewing machine but sounds interesting.

Will it be for sewing WW boxes?

The bobbin is totally different. The 133K and 132K have large rotary hooks and not an oscillating hooks like the 45K, Adler 20, Singer 7 and so forth.

To give you and idea of the dimensions:

[Constabulary]

Hi, haven't been on in a while, been flat out. Thrilled to bits with the Singer 133K8, 10 and 17 manual...!!! You are a real lifesaver, I have two 133K17s and didn't have the manual for them. Thanks so much. Best Regards Steve

You are welcome Steve - always glad when I can help!

[VanRhodes]

Constabulary: Thanks so much for the comparison, would you say the bobbin for your 133 holds more thread compared to the bobbin for the 20/7/45K?

I ment an X and Y axis, similar to this:

I would like it to be removeable though so that i can use it either as a straight stitch or computer controlled pattern sewing machine. I have a smaller Bartacker already (Juki LK-1900A-HS) but its only sewing with #69 thread and it would be rather neat to have a computer controlled heavy duty machine for those larger WW boxes and bartacks.

[alexitbe]

I would be interested on what you used to clean all the Gunk off an what grease, etc you used to relube it?

I have an old Singer patcher coming and wonered how to get it in working order... Apparently it does not turn very well right now.

Cheers

Alex

[Constabulary]

For internal cleaning (and external when I want to repaint a machine) I use this stuff and a paint brush - not sure how it is called in the US.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/5-Liter-Waschverdunnung-Verdunnung-Reiniger-von-Recolor-fur-Autolack-WV5000-/190889776705?pt=Autopflege_Wartung&hash=item2c71ead641

It washes down gummed oil + grease really fast.

Forget brake cleaner - brake cleaner is a joke compared with the above stuff.

For oiling sewing machines and everything else I use S-761 weapons oil. It has a NATO specification and is by far the best I ever used. We used it for our weapons like the MG3 machine gun, HK G36 rifle and HK P8 pistol in the German Army and since then this stuff is my all time favorite oil. I always say - what cleans and lubricates a machine gut can´t be bad for vintage sewing machines

http://www.ebay.de/itm/ADDINOL-Waffenol-W18-1-Liter-vollsynthetisch-Korrosionsschutzol-1L-NATO-S-761-/251532836182?pt=Sch%C3%BCtzensport&hash=item3a90867d56

for capsuled gear boxes I use blue long life grease (not for open gears or gear boxes of patcher machines - for these I use the above S-761 oil )

http://www.ebay.de/itm/400g-Fett-Hochtemperatur-Lithium-Komplexfett-Farbe-Blau-Achsfett-KP-2-P-35-/291302135925?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item43d2f5d875

But everybody is praising his favorites so you have to decide whether the above mentioned is good or not - I will not switch to anything else.

Edited November 22, 2014 by Constabulary

[alexitbe]

Thanks alot...

I have ordered the cleaner from Recolor.

You mention gun oil and I think I have some Ballistol somewhere. Maybe this is ok? I think I will still get what you recommended. I can find a use for it, I am sure.

I have ordered the grease too. What, exactly should I grease? I guess, axels. You mention gears. How do you grease properly, I have no experience.

Thank you for your full response.

Alex

Addendum: I have bought them all... Couldn't find the Ballistol. Atleast I know they all work.

Edited November 22, 2014 by alexitbe

[Constabulary]

So I guess you are from Germany too?

I use no grease in my 29K patcher machine - I only use grease for capsuled gear boxes.

Ballistol is in my opinion NOT a very good gun or machine oil. Cannot explain it in English - Ballistol zieht Wasser an und emulgiert. It is too expensive as well.

Or just in German.

Das Fett benutze ich nur in gekapselten Lagern aber nicht bei offenen Zahnrädern (die 29K hat keine gekapselten Lager).

Ich benutze bei der Singer 29K nur Öl, weil im Fett Nähstaub usw. hängen bleiben und wenn man Öl verwendet wird Staub usw. bei regelmäßiger Ölung halt zum Teil wieder mit ausgespült. Das ist aber meine Sicht der Dinge - andere haben evtl. eine andere Meinung.

But lets keep it in English as it is very international here

[mikesc]

Agreed re S-761 weapons oil..Ballistol ( very popular in France ) is crap for weapons etc..wouldn't expect it to be any better on sewing machines..another popular one here Armistol..not impressed with it either..

Edited November 22, 2014 by mikesc

[alexitbe]

Thank you both....

Yes, I live in Germany, but am not a Native. Mein Deutsche ist sehr schlect.

I have had my suspicions about Ballistol for a while. I used to store it in a bottle with a metal cap and the oil would turn green after some months...

Anyway, I will start a new thread after I pick it up on Tuesday. I hope it has all the parts ad just needs a strip down.

Thanks for all the advice.

Alex

Edited November 22, 2014 by alexitbe