Members Constabulary Posted March 16, 2015 Members Report Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) I know College Sewing very well, I`m buying most of my parts from them. I bought the spring you have linked but it is too short and too weak and I have bought this disc: https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/3071-TENSION-RELEASE-WASHER-SEIKO But the disc is too hard, you cannot adjust the small tab w/o braking it. But everything else was of really good quality and I had no problems!!! Edited March 16, 2015 by Constabulary Quote
Members jimi Posted March 16, 2015 Author Members Report Posted March 16, 2015 Haaa! check this one out guys, its funny that this would turn up right now??? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Singer-4-1-Heavy-Duty-Industrial-Sewing-Machine-/221714659335?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item339f393807 Quote
Trox Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 Haaa! check this one out guys, its funny that this would turn up right now??? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Singer-4-1-Heavy-Duty-Industrial-Sewing-Machine-/221714659335?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item339f393807 Thats real funny, because this looks exactly like an Adler class 4. You can compare it with another 45K-1 for sale on EBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Singer-45K1-Lockstitch-Heavy-Duty-Straight-Stitch-Industrial-Sewing-Machine/111615550745?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3Deb1c7181b994425a82deb5d85e57628f%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D221714659335&rt=nc And clearly see this machine is longer. Looks like its replacing a shorter 45K in the table cut out, you see the cut out for the hinge not used anymore. Looks like it has 45K or a small Adler 104 closed frame shuttle, it could also be an aftermarket one of course. The needle screw and guide belongs to a Singer. Some details do not look like a Adler class 4 head, like the hole in backside (front), perhaps its a 104 head with a Singer or Adler class 4 hand-wheel. I do not have a picture of an Adler class 4-1 to compare it too. I will not blame Singer for this job, looks like this has been done by the owner. Perhaps the 45K broke down and he needed some reliable replacement Joke aside, I really do not know what this is, its something "smelly" thats for sure. Tor Quote
Trox Posted March 16, 2015 Report Posted March 16, 2015 I know College Sewing very well, I`m buying most of my parts from them. I bought the spring you have linked but it is too short and too weak and I have bought this disk: https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/3071-TENSION-RELEASE-WASHER-SEIKO But the washer is too hard, you cannot adjust the small tab w/o braking it. But everything else was of really good quality and I had no problems!!! OK, so you still miss that part? and CowboyBob do not have it either? It was just a shot from the hip. That washer you linking to looks exactly like the one on my Adler 105, I guess these parts are very similar on most machines. Perhaps the companies buying it from the same producer, I do not think they all make these tension part them self. What do you think of this Singer class 4-1 Jimi found on Ebay? Tor Quote
Members Constabulary Posted March 16, 2015 Members Report Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) I just wanted to say that these two parts from College Sewing where crap and all other parts are good! No missing parts! The washer is a bit different... I´d say the 4-1 is a reworked Adler 4-1 with a Singer decal. I don´t think that Singer sold Adler machines at that stage. Singer still sold the 45K89 in the 1960´s as far as I know and the Adler 4-1 w/o reverse would have been a step back. And Adler already had the greenish 104 + 105 on the market Edited March 16, 2015 by Constabulary Quote
Members jimi Posted March 16, 2015 Author Members Report Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) I think the last of the 45ks were made in 1964. and if i can remember correctly the serial nº on my sv99 is from 1962. Edited March 17, 2015 by jimi Quote
Trox Posted March 17, 2015 Report Posted March 17, 2015 No, this one is most certainly rebadged by an owner, otherwise the table would have the correct size cut out. And not been altered like this. Anyway, these bottom feed machines most likely bought in for use on canvas and such heavy fabrics. For leather they would have chosen an other subclass. I would guess this one replaced an similar Singer subclass like the 45K-1, it would make no sense otherwise. Even in the 1950`ties you would not put Singer decal on a Adler to make money on it (or perhaps it was related to the post WW2). Perhaps it came from a heavy garment factory who only used Singer`s, a machine broke down and the repair shop replaced it with what they had on hand. Perhaps the factory had a reason for only using Singer, some kind of contract with the Singerco or a government. Something like that would make sense. That or perhaps the Adler machine was not that popular in the UK when it happened. One can only speculate. Tor Quote
Members jimi Posted March 17, 2015 Author Members Report Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Just another old photo i found and another curios mix?? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADLER-120-SINGER-7B-VERY-HEAVY-DUTY-/231077711621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item35cd4e0f05 Edited March 17, 2015 by jimi Quote
Trox Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 Yes there is quite a few of these Adler 120 that changed name to Singer. Must be because it had a larger foot lift that the Singer 27 B2B. The high lift Adler cl. 120 had a 40 mm foot lift. This subclass has a gear on the hand-wheel. It is very cheap priced, this are very expensive machines. Tor Quote
Members Darren Brosowski Posted March 31, 2015 Members Report Posted March 31, 2015 Some very early class 4 machines are a dead ringer for the 45k and I suspect that ADLER may have license built them then made their own improvements. This is pure speculation I don't agree with this theory (Class 4 + 5 >> 45K). As far as I know Singer already produced 45K´s when Adler was still producing the Class 3 which is the predecessor of the Class 4. 45K flat bed and Adler Class4 are a bit different - the 45K´s are shorter than the Adler Class 4. Therefore I´d say the Class 4 is rather an improvement of the 45K. I don't think Singer would produce shorter machines when they copy something. But thats just my theory w/o proof. Quote
Members Darren Brosowski Posted March 31, 2015 Members Report Posted March 31, 2015 Some GA5 parts fit the 45k. The GA5 bottom end is actually closer to a 105 than a 45k as are a number of top end parts Thats real funny, because this looks exactly like an Adler class 4. You can compare it with another 45K-1 for sale on EBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Singer-45K1-Lockstitch-Heavy-Duty-Straight-Stitch-Industrial-Sewing-Machine/111615550745?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3Deb1c7181b994425a82deb5d85e57628f%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D221714659335&rt=nc And clearly see this machine is longer. Looks like its replacing a shorter 45K in the table cut out, you see the cut out for the hinge not used anymore. Looks like it has 45K or a small Adler 104 closed frame shuttle, it could also be an aftermarket one of course. The needle screw and guide belongs to a Singer. Some details do not look like a Adler class 4 head, like the hole in backside (front), perhaps its a 104 head with a Singer or Adler class 4 hand-wheel. I do not have a picture of an Adler class 4-1 to compare it too. I will not blame Singer for this job, looks like this has been done by the owner. Perhaps the 45K broke down and he needed some reliable replacement Joke aside, I really do not know what this is, its something "smelly" thats for sure. Tor Quote
Members jimi Posted June 18, 2015 Author Members Report Posted June 18, 2015 I Found that Elias Howe cylinder arm machine again, very interesting, and would look spectacular restored! Quote
Members Blevins60 Posted January 3, 2016 Members Report Posted January 3, 2016 Thank made a manual for my 45K25. Quote
Members jimi Posted January 3, 2016 Author Members Report Posted January 3, 2016 Sorry dude, didn´t catch that one?? could you send a couple of pictures of your machine? Quote
Members Darren Brosowski Posted January 5, 2016 Members Report Posted January 5, 2016 Almost as rare as rocking horse poop!!!!! I Found that Elias Howe cylinder arm machine again, very interesting, and would look spectacular restored! $_57 (6).JPG$_57.JPG Quote
Members jimi Posted January 5, 2016 Author Members Report Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) Yeah! if you want to see the model here it is. the model D barrel-arm ca 1870. it had the largest shuttle in the world at that time and in 1876 was the best machine in the world for shoe and leather work! (according to this article).this was up for sale on ebay france for €1000. http://www.sewalot.com/elias_howe.htm Edited January 5, 2016 by jimi Quote
bermudahwin Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 I realise I am reopening an old thread, but for the first time since 1995 I had my Singer 45k58 working over the weekend, thanks to this thread, and the Beginner Having Problem With A Singer 45K25. - Leather Sewing Machines - Leatherworker.net thread from 2012 to 2016. Brilliant, thanks guys. Harry Quote
Members jimi Posted February 5, 2018 Author Members Report Posted February 5, 2018 Hi Harry, good to hear that you got the old machine going again i take it that it is the flat bed version of the 45k89 class? with the kick foot? there seems to be a lot of these type machines in the UK. could you send a couple of pictures of the machine for the old iron junkies here, regards jimi. Quote
bermudahwin Posted February 5, 2018 Report Posted February 5, 2018 It is the flatbed 48K58. Very nice machine. They are very popular with saddlers here, for repairing horse blankets in the Springtime, as well as for long runs on belts and harness. I am getting a table and servo motor for it, and will post pictures when its back in the workshop. I had completely forgotten the one and a half turns around the tension wheel, which sorted out the final problem. Sorting out my 196K205 now, for light leathergoods, needs a complete repaint, but I am unlikely to do that, as I want it to use in the workshop, not to display. Best Harry Quote
Members Trevor Baret Posted May 27, 2018 Members Report Posted May 27, 2018 On 2/9/2015 at 6:18 AM, Constabulary said: WOW - thats the first complete Singer 45K instructions manual I have ever seen!!! Great find Jimi I have downloaded the pictures reworked them a little bit and turned them into a PDF files. Hope you like it: Direct Download link: Singer 45K User Guide / Instructions Manual Direct Download link: Singer 45K Descriptions of Subclasses Hi Constabulary, I am looking for the manuals you describe here, but these links don't work any more. Can you please post these pdfs again, as I would love to have the manuals for my 45K machine. Thanks, Trevor Quote
Members Constabulary Posted May 27, 2018 Members Report Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) I had to reduce the file size so quality is not as good as the original file Singer 45K Descriptions of Subclasses.pdf Singer 45K Instructions Manual - User Guide (1).pdf Edited May 27, 2018 by Constabulary Quote
Members singer45k Posted May 28, 2018 Members Report Posted May 28, 2018 many thanks for the 45k pdf I've got a 45k 52 that I'm trying to figure out .. Quote
Members jimi Posted May 28, 2018 Author Members Report Posted May 28, 2018 Hi There, here is the parts book for your machine. could you send some pictures of your 45k52. regards jimi. Quote
Members singer45k Posted May 29, 2018 Members Report Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) thanks .. seems 45k 52 is completely different than 45k 53 mine has a compound walking foot .. stitch length adjustments on front/side no reverse .. no bottom feed dogs. note WD40 was used to free up a frozen screw using a high grade clear mineral oil Edited May 29, 2018 by singer45k Quote
Members singer45k Posted May 29, 2018 Members Report Posted May 29, 2018 here's the stitch length adjustment first finished dog collar with 45k 52 Quote
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