Original Singer 45K Users Manual

[Constabulary]

I know College Sewing very well, I`m buying most of my parts from them. I bought the spring you have linked but it is too short and too weak and I have bought this disc:

https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/3071-TENSION-RELEASE-WASHER-SEIKO

But the disc is too hard, you cannot adjust the small tab w/o braking it. But everything else was of really good quality and I had no problems!!!

Edited March 16, 2015 by Constabulary

[jimi]

Haaa! check this one out guys, its funny that this would turn up right now???

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Singer-4-1-Heavy-Duty-Industrial-Sewing-Machine-/221714659335?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item339f393807

[Trox]

Haaa! check this one out guys, its funny that this would turn up right now???

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Singer-4-1-Heavy-Duty-Industrial-Sewing-Machine-/221714659335?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item339f393807

Thats real funny, because this looks exactly like an Adler class 4. You can compare it with another 45K-1 for sale on EBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Singer-45K1-Lockstitch-Heavy-Duty-Straight-Stitch-Industrial-Sewing-Machine/111615550745?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3Deb1c7181b994425a82deb5d85e57628f%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D221714659335&rt=nc

And clearly see this machine is longer. Looks like its replacing a shorter 45K in the table cut out, you see the cut out for the hinge not used anymore. Looks like it has 45K or a small Adler 104 closed frame shuttle, it could also be an aftermarket one of course. The needle screw and guide belongs to a Singer. Some details do not look like a Adler class 4 head, like the hole in backside (front), perhaps its a 104 head with a Singer or Adler class 4 hand-wheel. I do not have a picture of an Adler class 4-1 to compare it too.

I will not blame Singer for this job, looks like this has been done by the owner. Perhaps the 45K broke down and he needed some reliable replacement

Joke aside, I really do not know what this is, its something "smelly" thats for sure.

Tor

[Trox]

I know College Sewing very well, I`m buying most of my parts from them. I bought the spring you have linked but it is too short and too weak and I have bought this disk:

https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/3071-TENSION-RELEASE-WASHER-SEIKO

But the washer is too hard, you cannot adjust the small tab w/o braking it. But everything else was of really good quality and I had no problems!!!

OK, so you still miss that part? and CowboyBob do not have it either? It was just a shot from the hip.

That washer you linking to looks exactly like the one on my Adler 105, I guess these parts are very similar on most machines. Perhaps the companies buying it from the same producer, I do not think they all make these tension part them self.

What do you think of this Singer class 4-1 Jimi found on Ebay?

Tor

[Constabulary]

I just wanted to say that these two parts from College Sewing where crap and all other parts are good! No missing parts!

The washer is a bit different...

I´d say the 4-1 is a reworked Adler 4-1 with a Singer decal. I don´t think that Singer sold Adler machines at that stage.

Singer still sold the 45K89 in the 1960´s as far as I know and the Adler 4-1 w/o reverse would have been a step back. And Adler already had the greenish 104 + 105 on the market

Edited March 16, 2015 by Constabulary

[jimi]

I think the last of the 45ks were made in 1964. and if i can remember correctly the serial nº on my sv99 is from 1962.

Edited March 17, 2015 by jimi

[Trox]

No, this one is most certainly rebadged by an owner, otherwise the table would have the correct size cut out. And not been altered like this. Anyway, these bottom feed machines most likely bought in for use on canvas and such heavy fabrics. For leather they would have chosen an other subclass. I would guess this one replaced an similar Singer subclass like the 45K-1, it would make no sense otherwise. Even in the 1950`ties you would not put Singer decal on a Adler to make money on it (or perhaps it was related to the post WW2). Perhaps it came from a heavy garment factory who only used Singer`s, a machine broke down and the repair shop replaced it with what they had on hand. Perhaps the factory had a reason for only using Singer, some kind of contract with the Singerco or a government. Something like that would make sense. That or perhaps the Adler machine was not that popular in the UK when it happened. One can only speculate.

Tor

[jimi]

Just another old photo i found

and another curios mix??

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADLER-120-SINGER-7B-VERY-HEAVY-DUTY-/231077711621?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item35cd4e0f05

Edited March 17, 2015 by jimi

[Trox]

Yes there is quite a few of these Adler 120 that changed name to Singer. Must be because it had a larger foot lift that the Singer 27 B2B. The high lift Adler cl. 120 had a 40 mm foot lift. This subclass has a gear on the hand-wheel. It is very cheap priced, this are very expensive machines.

Tor

[Darren Brosowski]

Some very early class 4 machines are a dead ringer for the 45k and I suspect that ADLER may have license built them then made their own improvements. This is pure speculation

I don't agree with this theory (Class 4 + 5 >> 45K).

As far as I know Singer already produced 45K´s when Adler was still producing the Class 3 which is the predecessor of the Class 4.

45K flat bed and Adler Class4 are a bit different - the 45K´s are shorter than the Adler Class 4. Therefore I´d say the Class 4 is rather an improvement of the 45K. I don't think Singer would produce shorter machines when they copy something.

But thats just my theory w/o proof.