Members Acceptable Posted December 13, 2015 Author Members Report Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Thanks everyone for the replies. I think I'll go ahead and try the bridle leathers. Would a 9-10 oz Bridle leather from HO or W&C stretch over time? i.e., should I make the belt slightly tighter to accommodate potential stretching? And how do the "English" Bridle leather blanks from Weaver compare to the leathers from HO and W&C? I can't seem to find the name of the tannery that the Weaver leathers are from. Edited December 13, 2015 by Acceptable Quote
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted December 13, 2015 Members Report Posted December 13, 2015 Much of Weaver's leather that is not labeled HO is from Chahin, a Mexican tannery. I've not bought the blanks from Weaver, but I've bought sides, and there is no imported leather from Mexico or South America that equals domestically tanned leather. I would ask before I order. W & C is a softer leather than HO and will likely have a little more stretch and the W & C gets a wrinkled and "worn" or raggy look sooner than the HO, but seems to last forever despite that. As far as making the belt slightly tighter to accommodate stretching, I never do. You shouldn't get that much stretch out of it that it would make a difference; it's more the belt conforming to the wearer's shape than anything, at least if the strap is cut from good stuff. To OldNSlow, I guess I'm older and slower than you, because I'm still trying to figure out exactly what you said above, Maybe after another 3 or 4 cups of coffee I'll figure it out. Late night, too little sleep, too many nights in a row. Anyway, all I was saying was if you qualify as a business, you should expect wholesale status. If not, then you shouldn't. it works the same in any other industry. Quantity purchases gets you better prices. Weaver and others like them are just adhering to a standard practice in about any trade you want to pick. I just built a house; I picked materials up at a wholesale place, but I sure as heck didn't get to purchase it directly from them. Quote
Members TinkerTailor Posted December 13, 2015 Members Report Posted December 13, 2015 to sort of ask another question and not to jack the thread, it seems like it is a little tough to set up an account with weaver if I am not mistaken, it seems like they want to you to have not only a business license but a tax I D from the IRS as well as a resellers permit from the state you are in, seems like an awful lot for someone that might be doing part time or as a hobby, please clarify if I am wrong. Thanks O n S This is cut and pasted directly off of weavers website. It pays to read clearly, they even underlined it and put it in bold for you..... Thank you for your interest in opening a Weaver Leather Supply account! We have a policy of selling our supplies through qualified wholesale customers only. To establish a Weaver Leather Supply Account a company must have one of the following requirements to establish proof of business. A Federal Tax ID # (Required for AZ, CA, FL, IL, IN, IA, KY, MI, MN, MO, NY, OH, PA, SD, TN, TX, WA, WV, WI) A Vendors License # A business card A copy of their letterhead A phone book advertisement Send them a business card.........And get a tax ID if you are in one of the listed states. As Art said, 20 bux and 15 mins. Quote "If nobody shares what they know, we will eventually all know nothing." "There is no adventure in letting fear and common sense be your guide"
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted December 13, 2015 Contributing Member Report Posted December 13, 2015 OnS is correct - that IS confusing. I'm in IA (one of the states listed) and my 'fed tax id' IS my SSN. I also have a sales tax permit which is NOT the same number. I've never shopped at weaver - just clarifying. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members Kulafarmer Posted December 14, 2015 Members Report Posted December 14, 2015 This is cut and pasted directly off of weavers website. It pays to read clearly, they even underlined it and put it in bold for you..... Thank you for your interest in opening a Weaver Leather Supply account! We have a policy of selling our supplies through qualified wholesale customers only. To establish a Weaver Leather Supply Account a company must have one of the following requirements to establish proof of business. A Federal Tax ID # (Required for AZ, CA, FL, IL, IN, IA, KY, MI, MN, MO, NY, OH, PA, SD, TN, TX, WA, WV, WI) A Vendors License # A business card A copy of their letterhead A phone book advertisement Send them a business card.........And get a tax ID if you are in one of the listed states. As Art said, 20 bux and 15 mins. Well guess im going to delete their link, no intrest in doing business with elitist, plenty other places who will take my money Quote
Members TinkerTailor Posted December 14, 2015 Members Report Posted December 14, 2015 Well guess im going to delete their link, no intrest in doing business with elitist, plenty other places who will take my money We are not talking about retail, we are talking about setting up a wholesale account. Weaver has retail. This is how most should shop there. Anyone can buy this way. If you need a few rivets and a bottle of dye, you will pay for having smaller quantities available. If you are buying neetsfoot by the 45 gallon drum, and hides by the dozen, it is a different kind of business. In addition, business get tax breaks as manufacturers that consumers are not eligible for. Sales tax is generally applied on the end product, not every step in between.This is not an elitist thing. Wholesale entails buying bigger volumes, at cheaper prices often with less or no advice included. For the cheaper price you need to know what you want. Time is money and retail takes time. Most of the other suppliers have some kind of wholesale cheaper pricing for businesses. Quote "If nobody shares what they know, we will eventually all know nothing." "There is no adventure in letting fear and common sense be your guide"
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted December 14, 2015 Members Report Posted December 14, 2015 Tinker you said it better than I could have! I don't know why folks in this trade find it so hard to understand or accept. It's how every other industry in the world operates. Food industry, auto industry, construction, you name it, the list goes on and on. Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted December 14, 2015 Contributing Member Report Posted December 14, 2015 I have never bought a 'drum' of neatsfoot. But I do like the idea of getting leather from the tannery -- same reason as the wholesale pricing. HO from HO is about $8 per foot, not $12 ($300 per side is $12/ft). That's a 50% mark-up over MY cost, and I'm guessing someone buying 1000 times more hides than I do is getting a price better than mine to begin with. So if people like paying $50-$100 more per hide, have at it. But it seems a little strange to call that "wholesale" pricing. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted December 14, 2015 Members Report Posted December 14, 2015 I think you're looking at the Weaver retail site, JLS. Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted December 14, 2015 Contributing Member Report Posted December 14, 2015 could be. If I have to "sign up" just to see the wholesale pricing, then I'll just continue to pass on that Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
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