Members cleanview Posted February 24, 2016 Author Members Report Posted February 24, 2016 I personally mold a site channel in pancakes.......dont bother me that others dont or tell me that I should not......... the above comment reflects the reason that I come to this forum Amongst my peers or those that simply admire holsters, I am the "cats meow"...."wow....thats awsome"........I come here where people have more "time in service" (military analogy) with hopes of some other points of view, critiques, or sense of accomplishment, when some one with more knowledge and experience says "hey, your gettin better....or good job" ...... I suppose when I have been doing it as long as some of the people on here, I may may get stronger opinionated and set in my way as the best way.....for now I come here because I am still figuring out the way "I" want to do it. Just my opinion in regards to the deviated path this thread has taken..... I am appreciative Quote Amarillo Texas bambamholsters.com
Members George B Posted February 24, 2016 Members Report Posted February 24, 2016 Have to agree. This place used to be a wonderful spot to gain knowledge, help and that pat on the head. These days its a lot of so called experts poking the bear and then acting like "you" are the sensitive one. I sold a total of 337 pancake holster last year alone. I made them "my" way and have had only one returned because 8 oz. leather was not heavy enough. I make a living doing this and don't have the time for all the "expert" BS that goes on here. I'm done. You all have a good life and I'll enjoy mine. Taking the shortcut off the puter and ending my membership. Bye. Quote
Members longun45 Posted January 8, 2017 Members Report Posted January 8, 2017 Too bad the video is down. Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted January 8, 2017 Contributing Member Report Posted January 8, 2017 All the video was about was to say that holding a holster upside-down with a "blue" gun means nothing at all. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted March 6, 2017 Contributing Member Report Posted March 6, 2017 kick this to the front lines again. I been gittin lots of questions about EXACTLY this type of thing... like as in a '50/50' pancake holster does not fit the same way (or FUNCTION the same) on a 100-lb guy as it does on a 250-lb guy. So, I'll do a complete work-up (write up) on why this is, but honestly it's not that technical and that pic should point to the issue for people who have seen this issue. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted March 7, 2017 Contributing Member Report Posted March 7, 2017 Quick pic of teh problem here. When the holster lays flat, or held in the hand, slips in and out just fine. But the harder the front 'wing' is cranked in, the more the site channel collapses, causing front site drag. "Breaking it in" only serve to make the problem worse. The pic above illustrates what is happening when the holster is curved to fit the waist. The smaller the waist, the tighter the radius, and the more bow in the holster. And the more site drag. Looking down on a G43, right hand holster. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members longun45 Posted March 7, 2017 Members Report Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) This would be a recurring problem with any pancake holster. I can see 2 fixes. Sew in a sight channel or mold it in. So with the sight channel molded in it should be ok? I have noticed at gun shows there are very few really skinny people out there. I post some pick of my results later in the week. Some good - Some not so great. And thank you again for the pattern. Edited March 7, 2017 by longun45 Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted March 7, 2017 Contributing Member Report Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, longun45 said: So with the sight channel molded in it should be ok? No. It is teh molded site channel which collapses, causing the bind. The further you bend the front in, the more the bind. But this is not a problem with ANY pancake holster, ... not an issue at all if teh back is flat, or close to flat. Edited March 7, 2017 by JLSleather Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
Members longun45 Posted March 7, 2017 Members Report Posted March 7, 2017 With a reinforcement panel most of the molding takes place in the back. A dowel rod to open the sight channel, and with a good arc built into the molding process, would you be able to mitigate that? I ask as I am starting to build these and want to get it right. Quote
Contributing Member JLSleather Posted March 7, 2017 Contributing Member Report Posted March 7, 2017 When making 'pancake" holsters with seam down the front, adding a 'panel' on the front does nothing to help with this. The thing is, you can pull it (stretch it) from slot to slot much as you like, and there's no problem. But when you start curving it (like when you tighten the belt) then this "molding in the back" becomes compressed (has to go somewhere). Since the front is pulled tighter on the belt, the inside can't bow out, then the only place the back can go is INTO the site channel (closing it). If on the other hand, you make the holster with a flatter back (longer piece in front) much of this is eliminated (there's less leather to bunch up in the channel). So, ideally, make the outside piece longer, and THEN reinforce it, so that the original curve is maintained... and the tension in the firearm is then the same on or off the belt (or way close). Lots of people would like to ignore this, since it does make it a bit more involved making the pattern. You are correct that a sewn in sight channel would "fix" that, provided you have room to do that. Most of the time, the response is to move the belt slots further out from the firearm (farther apart from each other) so the inward flex stress is less. But then, you trade some room on your belt and some concealment. Quote "Observation is 9/10 of the law." IF what you do is something that ANYBODY can do, then don't be surprised when ANYBODY does.
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