UKRay Report post Posted February 8, 2017 A few years back I spent a lot of time answering questions and hoping to help folk on this amazing forum. As my leatherworking business took off I was unable to spend as much time as I would have liked on here (I got busy) but still looked in whenever I could. Then I got VERY busy and my visits dwindled to almost nothing. I was spending every waking hour making leather stuff and had no time for enjoying life (and enjoying the company of like minded folk). What I'm trying to say is that the more you work, the less you are inclined to remember why you were working in the first place. In my case, I started leatherworking for pleasure at home. I had a good sized house and the space to set up a small workshop. It all looked perfect. In time, the business started to grow and I quickly found myself working far too hard just to make a sensible living. Space in which to work was a real issue. Noise (lets face it guys, we do make a noise) was a problem. Deliveries were a hassle and storage was a total pain in the posterior! My partner objected to living in a storeroom (I can't really blame her) In short, it wasn't much fun! I forgot about enjoying my leatherworking as it quickly became my ambition to move my business out of my home into a 1500 sq ft commercial unit to make things easier - which I did. The unit was very secure and didn't have windows. I got to work in the dark and left in the dark. I didn't see daylight from one week to the next. I was making a whole lot of product and had a superb work space but it wasn't making me happy. Especially when I realised I needed to work even harder to pay the rent on the unit. After two years of this, the penny dropped. My solution was to move to a much smaller house on a bigger plot of land and use the available cash to build my own fully insulated workshop and storage cabins in the yard. Which, after a lot of shenanigans I finally did. But I had to shift a lot of soil and build a road first... Net result: my outgoings (rent, heating, lighting, insurances, gasoline bill) dropped like a stone. I walk to work in the mornings (all 25 yards). I have an amazing view from the workshop windows and life is a lot more relaxed because I'm not constantly chasing the last dollar in every deal. My new workspace has everything I need - see pictures - and I'm a much happier man. My conclusion: Leatherworking is a great hobby, but those who go down the 'full time' route will doubtless agree that it is a tough way to make a living. Your workload is necessarily large because profits are relatively low; so you always seem to be firefighting with no time to cut any fire breaks. Make time by reducing your overheads guys - it worked for me. Right now, I've found time to redesign bits of my website, updating the SEO side of things and generally sorting out images and text. I haven't had time to do this in years. Each change and improvement is bringing in slightly more business which I'm regulating with my pricing. In short, I'm a happy man. I don't make a fortune but I have enough to live. If you are renting work premises then you may want to think hard about building your own work space on your own property. I can't say it was easy, but with the move completed I'm a changed man. For the first time in years, I am free of the need to work all the time. Hey, I've even dug out my fishing gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bikermutt07 Report post Posted February 8, 2017 Great story. I'm glad you can enjoy daylight again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptQuirk Report post Posted February 8, 2017 Right nice looking little building! I hope that the move is working out for you. While I can't say I know what it's like to be that busy, but like you, I have a small storage building/ workshop on my property. I am way out in the country, so I get to see Nature in all her glory as I tool away. I hope you find the fun again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grumpymann Report post Posted February 8, 2017 Wisdom offered. wisdom accepted. Thank you. For me the stress and affect on my family life forced me to quit my "Good Job", Now in the salt mine part time and in my shop the rest. Wife is happy cuz I'm home wife is sad cuz I'm cuz I'm in the shop almost as much as I was gone. Now we are broke, still married, eating at home, watching TV together, the dogs know who I am, my BP is manageable and I'm happy.... Good Luck to us all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UKRay Report post Posted February 9, 2017 Truth be told, I'm having an 'interesting time' at present as I try to change the way I look at life and work. Putting aside the 'familiar' is hard. Coming 'home' early is actually a problem as I feel I ought to be in the shop pounding leather. I find any excuse to keep on pounding. This either means I'm a workaholic or I've got an overdeveloped work ethic - I'm not too sure which it is. Hey, I could just be stupid! Seriously, does anyone else work harder than they have to? I suspect most self-employed people have this problem. We try to do the best job we can for people and this means we work a lot harder and more hours than if we were employed. I calculated my hourly rate recently and was actually shocked at how low it is. Sometimes I wish I'd done an apprenticeship as a plumber and not as a harness maker! lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LumpenDoodle2 Report post Posted February 9, 2017 You've done the right thing having your work home based. I gave up my full time business completely, as it was getting too much physically, and way too many hours. I took up leatherworking, with the plan of working part time only, but am pleased to say that I am a busy bunny. What I earn allows us to pay for the luxuries in our life, but if I had to rent a workshop, and travel to it every day, I think I'd just give up. Sure, having more space would be great, but at the moment, I can have a break from work, see to the laundry, nip out for shopping, etc, and generally arrange my day to suit me and the hubby. I do have to start taking more time off, but not just now. I need to get these orders out first....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alpha2 Report post Posted February 9, 2017 I recently moved my shop from the basement to an upstairs room. Huge window, lots of daylight, and in good weather the window is wide open. No comparison. There's no substitute for daylight! I still do gunsmithing and reloading down in the hole, but that's not that much time anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MADMAX22 Report post Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) On 2/9/2017 at 9:40 AM, UKRay said: Coming 'home' early is actually a problem as I feel I ought to be in the shop pounding leather. I find any excuse to keep on pounding. This either means I'm a workaholic or I've got an overdeveloped work ethic - I'm not too sure which it is. Hey, I could just be stupid! Not the same but I went thru the similar problem when I got out of the Navy. Went from working anywhere from 80 to 130 hrs a week (when I wasnt underway) to a job where I work 40-60 hours a week. Cant complain but it took a good solid year to get use to the fact I was coming home every night, that I had weekends off sometimes, that I didnt have to get everything done in the few hours I had off before I left for 3-6 months. Ofcourse now I have a 3 year old and one on the way so dont have much time anymore. Glad you could get organized with more space and a chunk of land. Downsizing the house and having a dedicated work shop is the way to go, ecspecially one nice as that. No more work related dust and debris being tracked into the house, no worry about fumes and such wafting in and the ability to work at 0600 in the morning without waking your loved ones. Edited February 11, 2017 by MADMAX22 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UKRay Report post Posted February 12, 2017 We are all creatures of habit... we like the familiar and mistrust the new. At least, most of us are! This weekend, I've been going down memory lane... sorting through 40 plus years worth of patterns, leatherworking books, CraftAids, tool catalogs and paperwork. I have a mountain of stuff still to go through but I was quite pleased to discover that the way I do leatherwork now is not so different from the way I worked back in the 60s and 70s. However, it got significantly easier as I invested in machinery to speed up the time consuming jobs. Nowadays I still make at least six patterns before making a new product (I've still got patterns dating back to the 60s when I was fifteen years old). I still hand-cut intricate designs and still hand tool much of my work. A 22 ton hydraulic clicking press has definitely helped speed up some of the processes and laser cut stamps have made a huge difference to the range of designs I can offer. I still do most of my best work on a big granite slab though! The big difference is sewing. My hands aren't what they were. Arthritis and the 'sands of time have taken their toll. Hand stitching is almost a thing of the past for me. I was quite worried when my hands started to go, I reckoned I would have to take up gardening or worse... Fortunately, a few years back I purchased a big harness stitcher and haven't looked back since. That machine has earned every penny I spent on it many hundreds of times over. Possibly the best investment I ever made. I used to hand write all my notes. Nowadays the computer takes the strain - in fact, I'm not sure I remember how to write with a pen! Sorry to ramble on folks, but this has been a weekend of memories and I wanted to share them. Ray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
immiketoo Report post Posted February 14, 2017 Awesome, Ray. I know how you feel. Been away for too long myself. I really like you shop and I hope to have a dedicated space for myself one day. Perhaps with a retail storefront. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UKRay Report post Posted February 15, 2017 A retail storefront sounds like a great idea but it ties you down. With a mail order business like mine I can take a day off when things are quiet and nobody is upset that I'm not there to serve them. I had a few shops over the years and eventually drifted into the world of medieval re-enactment markets - Renaissance Fairs in the US I believe... With a dozen or more shows a year I find I can still get 'face to face' contact with my customers and still retain my independence (and hopefully still have time to go fishing!). Ive attached a picture of my booth at a few recent shows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Blea Report post Posted February 21, 2017 Thanks for the words of wisdom Ray. While I don't do this full time I do try to run it as a business. I don't have tons of orders but I do always have something going on. With a full time job and young children I always have other demands on my time, so it's always a struggle to balance work, family and leather work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UKRay Report post Posted February 22, 2017 23 hours ago, Bob Blea said: Thanks for the words of wisdom Ray. While I don't do this full time I do try to run it as a business. I don't have tons of orders but I do always have something going on. With a full time job and young children I always have other demands on my time, so it's always a struggle to balance work, family and leather work. You make very nice stuff, Bob. I'm sure you are successful. I wish I had the 'brainspace' to explore Etsy more fully as it seems to have a lot on offer. However, it would be yet another thing thing to check on every day - which is why I stopped selling on Ebay. I've had luck with my website and it now provides me with enough work. At the outset I was concerned that it wouldn't justify the money I had spent or even pay for its existence (hosting fees, updates etc) - but I was soooo wrong! Accepted, I do have to work on it regularly - change stuff around and freshen up the front page occasionally; but it earns its keep. I'd recommend any leatherworker to have their own dedicated online shopfront. It won't be cheap if you do the job properly, but my experience is that it will pay for itself time and time again with regular business. To be honest, I'm glad I made the decision to sell online as this may well be the last season of shows for me, it is getting harder to shift all the stuff, put up marquees and generally deal with the public. My re-enactment customers are charming, polite and appreciative of the work we traders put into attending events - but there are always a few members of the public that cause grief! Frankly I'm wondering if I can be bothered with it. Time will tell... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyL1 Report post Posted February 23, 2017 Very cool Ray! The shop space you built looks amazing! I have mine setup in a corner of the garage where I share it with the wife's car and the kid's bikes. Haha! I do have windows though which is nice but I really envy all the ROOM you have. Cheers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Blea Report post Posted February 28, 2017 On 2/22/2017 at 3:15 PM, UKRay said: You make very nice stuff, Bob. I'm sure you are successful. I wish I had the 'brainspace' to explore Etsy more fully as it seems to have a lot on offer. However, it would be yet another thing thing to check on every day - which is why I stopped selling on Ebay. I've had luck with my website and it now provides me with enough work. At the outset I was concerned that it wouldn't justify the money I had spent or even pay for its existence (hosting fees, updates etc) - but I was soooo wrong! Accepted, I do have to work on it regularly - change stuff around and freshen up the front page occasionally; but it earns its keep. I'd recommend any leatherworker to have their own dedicated online shopfront. It won't be cheap if you do the job properly, but my experience is that it will pay for itself time and time again with regular business. To be honest, I'm glad I made the decision to sell online as this may well be the last season of shows for me, it is getting harder to shift all the stuff, put up marquees and generally deal with the public. My re-enactment customers are charming, polite and appreciative of the work we traders put into attending events - but there are always a few members of the public that cause grief! Frankly I'm wondering if I can be bothered with it. Time will tell... Thank you for the kind words Ray! I certainly have been keeping my spare time filled up with leather projects lately. I'd think you are better off with your own site than dedicating any time and effort to Etsy, especially since it sounds like you've established a good working site. With Etsy you don't have a lot of tools on your site to set yourself apart from your Etsy competition, and frequently you are competing on price with MANY other Etsy leatherworkers. I've been thinking going your route and developing my own website might be the right way to go now. I'm glad to hear your site is working out so well! Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites