Members buellfire Posted December 23, 2019 Members Report Posted December 23, 2019 Hello all. First post however I have been lurking for the last month or so. I am a newer sewer and have just moved up from a White 322 and Singer 401A 1950's or 60's home units to a Consew 255rb-3. The Consew has a Family 550w servo motor installed. The problem I am having is with needle and thread. The thread keeps unraveling at the needle. I'm not sure if I have the correct needle or thread, I am sewing vinyl. I would also like to swap the pulleys as I run the machine on the second speed setting, at this setting the foot pedal is like a light switch. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Shawn Quote
kgg Posted December 23, 2019 Report Posted December 23, 2019 A couple of photos would help. What thread are you using? What needle size are you using? Is the machine thread path correct and the bobbin installed correctly? How thick is the material you are trying to sew? kgg Quote Juki DNU - 1541S, Juki DU - 1181N, Singer 29K - 71(1949), Chinese Patcher (Tinkers Delight), Warlock TSC-441, Techsew 2750 Pro, Consew DCS-S4 Skiver
Members buellfire Posted December 23, 2019 Author Members Report Posted December 23, 2019 Kgg, The thread and needle that came with the machine, (I bought this lightly used) are not marked. I am sewing vinyl upholstery, usually 2 - 4 layers thick. When I bought the machine it went though 6 layers of my vinyl with no problem. Has anyone used this similar machine on like material? If so what thread and/or needle did you use. I will go down to my work area and try to submit pictures soon. Thanks for any help! Quote
kgg Posted December 23, 2019 Report Posted December 23, 2019 The thread cone should have a label on the inside bottom of the cone. On the label you should see a description like Bonded Nylon or Bond Polyester and a size like V69, V92 or V138. Once you know the size of thread you can determine what is the correct needle size that you should be using. A good thread / needle chart is can be found at ( https://www.tolindsewmach.com/thread-chart.html ). If I am correct your machine uses the standard 135 x 17 needles for material and 135 x 16 for leather. For V69 thread you should be using a size #18 needle, V92 thread size #19 and V138 thread size #22. However what I have found is that you may have to go up a needle size if the material is a little sticky like some types of vinyl. Depending on the material you are sewing the needle needs to be replaced when it causes problems or starts to get dull. I usually replace my needles every 8 hours of run time, change of thread size or when it starts to cause problems, whichever comes first. kgg Quote Juki DNU - 1541S, Juki DU - 1181N, Singer 29K - 71(1949), Chinese Patcher (Tinkers Delight), Warlock TSC-441, Techsew 2750 Pro, Consew DCS-S4 Skiver
Members Pintodeluxe Posted December 23, 2019 Members Report Posted December 23, 2019 The thread fraying I've personally experienced has been due to one of these problems... 1. Old thread / poor quality thread. 2. Sharp edge inside the eye of the needle / defective needle. 3. When threading the machine, if you miss the needle bar thread guide it is a recipe for shredded thread. Quite often a machine is supposed to be equipped with a needle bar thread guide, but it is missing. I would start with new thread in the size you need, 92 weight thread for instance. Then match the needle size to the thread. So 135x17 (135x16 for leather point) is the needle system, and use #19 or #20 needle for that thread. If you move up or down in thread size, change the needle size to match. Best of luck! Quote
Members buellfire Posted December 23, 2019 Author Members Report Posted December 23, 2019 I believe I found part of my problem, part of my needle is missing and broken inside of the receptor of the needle. Quote
kgg Posted December 23, 2019 Report Posted December 23, 2019 After you get the broken needle part out. You are presently using V69 Bonded Nylon thread which will require a 135 x 17 size 18 min. but you may continue to have problems with using this small a thread and diameter needle going through multi layers of vinyl. I would change the thread to at least V92 (stronger) and a larger needle size (20). The larger needle size will be larger in diameter and stronger with less deflection. I do like your table extension it will come in handy. kgg Quote Juki DNU - 1541S, Juki DU - 1181N, Singer 29K - 71(1949), Chinese Patcher (Tinkers Delight), Warlock TSC-441, Techsew 2750 Pro, Consew DCS-S4 Skiver
kgg Posted December 23, 2019 Report Posted December 23, 2019 Forgot to mention. Once you decide on thread size that works for your stuff if you have problems with the 8 oz cones particularly black like excessive backlash causing the thread to go under the cone move up to the 1 lb size cones. kgg Quote Juki DNU - 1541S, Juki DU - 1181N, Singer 29K - 71(1949), Chinese Patcher (Tinkers Delight), Warlock TSC-441, Techsew 2750 Pro, Consew DCS-S4 Skiver
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