Singer 112w110

[bludodger]

***Just Realized this is probably better in "Sewing Machines" area of Fabrication Forum---If any moderator wants to move, that would be great. Thanks and Sorry for the hassle***

 

Ive been lurking for awhile and have loved gathering tons of information on different machines from this forum. Thanks. 

I think I might have found an interesting machine that should provide some information to those who enjoy the Singer Industrial History/Evolution etc. I know there are many in this group who have taught me a lot about the history of industrial machines. Hopefully, I can give just a little back.

I think the machine is quite rare and after an extensive search, I am pretty sure it has never been discussed here or at all online.

It is a Singer 112w110.

It is an old machine. The serial number is w203xxx---last three are hard to read because of wear and what I think is a repaint job and judging from the only documentation I have found (a parts list from Singer- here is the pdf link to a copy--https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.supsew.com%2Fdownload%2FSinger%2FSinger%20112W110.pdf&psig=AOvVaw0btzPO1m9hokH_Gyt5BeCX&ust=1613008332101000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CA0QjhxqFwoTCOjZ2bqa3u4CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAV .  I think it dates to 1915 or a little later. I have not found a manual of any sort. I have not even found a picture/Illustration of it online (Its unlisted in the ISMACS comprehensive Singer Model List).

Anybody have one of these machines? or any documentation for it? Heard of one?

The parts list is helpful in that it describes the machine as a two needle high speed compound feed for Shirts, Underwear and Corsets. Nothing mentioned about leather. Any chance it could? (I know , It just wouldn't have felt right if I didn't ask.)

I want to point out that the machine does not have a belt driving the bottom bobbin shaft like all the other 112w and 111w class machines I have seen or read about. It has three connecting rods that run directly down to the bottom shaft (part # 223673) which connects to the two rotary geared bobbin holders.

Also of interest is the stitch length adjustment. It is neither regulated by the much later design with a button on the bed, or by the notoriously problematic knob at the end of the hand wheel.

Instead, it has a slotted screw on the front of the machine (roughly located where the stitch length site hole is located on a push button model). This screw apparently accepted a key (according to the parts list it was operated with key (part #223665). The key is not with the machine. There is also a gauge that registers the stitch length as the slot gets turned. I have not disassembled the machine to understand the exact way the stitch length gets changed internally.

Lastly, below the Singer badge is another plate (brass?) that states the model and the list of patent dates. The last one is 1915.

I hope this topic creates some interest and discussion. I have attached a photo of the machine.

Any thoughts?

I would imagine the unique differences noted above with this machine must have been featured on other industrial Singers from this era. Anyone know which machines I might try to find similarities?

Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.

 

Edited February 10, 2021 by bludodger
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[Northmount]

13 hours ago, bludodger said:

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Update. 

I was able to find similar features between this machine 112w 110 and the 112w101. 

Unfortunately, there is only a parts list for that machine available online too. Likewise, there does not seem to be a manual online either.

From what I can tell (looking at older Singer manuals copyright dates at the Smithsonian online archives) the ever problematic feed regulating dial featured on the 112w115 and 111w101 must have been introduced in or around1917 or so. The mechanism on the 112w110 and 112w101 was the forerunner of that. Why was it changed? Too costly or too poorly designed?

Anyone have a 112w101? I'm interested in learning about the feed regulating mechanism and how to thread the machine properly.

Any ideas about the largest diameter thread I could use (or at least start out with?).

Anything at all would be greatly helpful. I am still hopeful someone on here has something to help me out with.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

[Constabulary]

Would be nice to see more detailed pictures from all side (incl. bottom side). Can´t be wrong to have some documentation for the future.

Your machine of course has some specialties / differences but you most likely can use any 112w manual for the basics you need for "just sewing". See attachment.

Since the 111 and 112 series are using identical hooks you most likely can use up to 138 thread but that may depend on how the machine is setup. No one knows if it has been modified or how it it actually is set up so you can only try it out by your self.

Please post more pictures of your machine. Also post pictures of the hooks.

 

112W140.pdf

Edited February 12, 2021 by Constabulary

[bludodger]

Thanks for the reply Constabulary.

As soon as I can I'll upload more pics... Hopefully by this weekend.

Now you mentioned that all class 111 and 112 use identical hooks which made me look into what this machine listed as the part number for it's hook... #224017. Which is a different part number than what the 112w140 calls for ...#248445. Interesting right?

 

So now I'm real curious. Are they the same hook? When searching either part online the other one doesn't seem to come up as an alternate part number or cross reference. In addition, the 224017 part search basically comes up with minimal results at all.

Any way to know what differences there might be? 

When I get a chance I will also check to see if the 112w110 still has the original hooks (224017) in it. Again hopefully I will have the time in the next few days.

 

Thanks again for your input and participation.

 

 

[Constabulary]

"Identical" was not obvious enough as it seems. There are at least 3 hooks (most likely more) for the 111 / 112 series machines, some have bobbin cases with caps some have a drop in bobbin case. However they all work and fit in the hook saddle that is mounted in 111 and 112 series machines. So to say the hooks are interchangeable but some fine tuning may be necessary. You can even run certain "foreign" brand hooks in the 111 / 122 series machines - f.i. Dürkopp 239, 241, 241, 249 hooks. Some Juki , Consew, and other brand machines are using the same hook saddles as well so their hooks will work too.

Thats the nice thing on Singer machines - when you look over the fence a little bit you will find a lot of similar parts on other brand machines. Last year I installed a Dürkopp hook on my approx 100 years old Wheeler & Willson based Singer 51w post bed machine and new made needle plates, feed dogs from Chinsese made "Golden Wheel" brand machines as well. You know what I mean? That works because a lot of modern machines are sill based on the decades old Singer machines. Certain parts have never changed or maybe just slightly.

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[Jackofalldave]

Hello, i just purchased a singer 112w110 also. I am looking for the tool that changes the stitch length. I can fabricate one as it has a piece of 1/4 square stock on the end and a thin, short wing to catch the indicator and turn it. Mine has the same indicator plate but serial is very clear to read. I’ll try to include pictures. Any help with information on the tool if available to measure so i can copy, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David