question on older Adler cylinder arm machine

[UncleSam]

I have a chance to purchase an older Adler cylinder arm machine for items that I cannot use my Brother LS2-F52A for due to bulkiness of pieces.  It has a leather belt that is getting replaced, and also I would have to supply a 3 prong HD 50 amp plug.  It comes with bobbins, bobbin case, needles and 3 cones of HD harness thread and original paperwork/manual.  My question is, can I use the HD socket from my clothes dryer?  I removed the dryer 2 years ago, and left the plug and receptacle in place in case I ever got another dryer.  I have a solid safe 220 service here at the farm.  The Adler is in a saddle shop and has 3 other HD machines for harness and saddles and they don't need this one.  I work there a few days a week, and had expressed an interest in it, so the owners are getting the leather belt replaced.  Any thoughts on the older Duerkopp-Adler machines?

sorry photo is so small, will get better photo and serial number today while at work.

Uncle Sam

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by Northmount
Corrected title and info cylinder not post bed

[kgg]

2 hours ago, UncleSam said:

My question is, can I use the HD socket from my clothes dryer?

Your dryer receptacle is normally a four prong 220v, 30 amp so first check the voltage and amp rating of the motor. Typically the 50 amp 3 prong plugs are meant for 220v where you have two hots and a ground. I would suspect the motor on the Alder is 120 v.

kgg

[UncleSam]

Thank you so much for that information KGG.  The dryer socket I have is 3 prong  Here are two pictures of the machine.  

[kgg]

10 minutes ago, UncleSam said:

The dryer socket I have is 3 prong

Did you check the nameplate of the motor too see what voltage the motor on the machine is rated for?

kgg

[kgg]

8 hours ago, UncleSam said:

I have a chance to purchase an older Adler post machine

The Alder is not a post bed, it is a cylinder bed machine. Do you know what model it is, do they have the manual? The machine looks in pretty good shape.

kgg

[UncleSam]

knew I had something wrong   They have the manuals Except for the leather belt they were using it just not much since they got the Weaver one which is larger.  I'm back at work on Friday I'll get more information from the manuals then.

 

kThanks!

I will check the plate on the machine Friday and get more information.

Thank you,

US

[kgg]

On 11/30/2021 at 2:06 PM, UncleSam said:

I'm back at work on Friday I'll get more information from the manuals then.

What did you find out about the machine?

kgg

[UncleSam]

Hi KGG, it took me a while to get back to the photos of the cylinder arm Durkopp.  That inside belt is the timing belt, but trying to find the model (not the serial number) number has proved difficult.  Seems as though they are available (depending on model number) from Moscow or Ukraine via China for about $30 +- Takes a few months to arrive and then you have to find a brave soul to install them which is quite costly.  The one from Russia is nylon with copper bands but don't know if it's for which model of cylinder arm.   

Here are the photos I got on Friday- 

Thanks so much for looking KGG, I've contacted several people around my area (between Buffalo and Rochester) and am still trying to find out more-like if it can be fixed.

US

[UncleSam]

By the way KGG, tell me about your China patcher .

US

[kgg]

6 minutes ago, UncleSam said:

By the way KGG, tell me about your China patcher .

The Tinkers delight is delegated to the basement as I have a couple of more things I want to try before it makes it's out-the-door journey. What are you planning on sewing and what is your budget. I'm sure someone could offer suggestions as what maybe a good match for your needs/wants.

kgg

[UncleSam]

Mostly medium weight messenger bags and repairing stitching that I don't do by hand.  If I need to repair something with harness leather (last year I made new covers for farm tractor doors with vinyl and plastic windows for my hay man.  I used my friends heavy duty post machine for that.  I can go down there (about an hour) and use her machines, just was thinking of winter driving/roads etc.  I'm sure I can live without it, just sometimes gives my hand a rest from saddle stitching. 

US

 

[Northmount]

@UncleSam Moved this thread to leather Sewing Machines where more experts will see it.

 

[327fed]

Your motor plate says 2.8 amp. Might need to replace dryer circuit breaker with a 20 amp breaker. 

[Michiel]

It is an adler 169

I have the same (and had to put a new timing belt on it too)

michiel

[Michiel]

Here you will find the service manual

https://www.duerkopp-adler.com/commons/download/download-text-attachments/Vintage_Manuals_Adler/Serviceanleitung_169_DE.pdf

[UncleSam]

Thank you for forwarding this.  Unfortunately I don't speak German, so did translate to English  which would help me better understand how this works  I printed out all the pages which will be helpful, but it's mostly instructional; how to thread, tension, etc.  I need the parts catalog for this model to see which timing belt is used.  When I went back to available PDF downloads, the model 169 is not listed and there are 232 pages of parts, just for one model alone,  so if anyone can help me decipher how to get to the next step, I'd be very grateful.

  

US

Edited December 5, 2021 by UncleSam

[kgg]

18 hours ago, UncleSam said:

Thanks so much for looking KGG, I've contacted several people around my area (between Buffalo and Rochester) and am still trying to find out more-like if it can be fixed

The things to consider before buying the Alder is the cost of the machine, cost of the replacement timing belt which I think is going to be closer to $100, cost to have it installed and the machine re-timed, cost to put a 120v servo motor on it so you can use it at a controllable speed verses getting a good used refurnished machine from a dealer.

kgg

[UncleSam]

My thoughts exactly.  So many variables, and since I've not heard back from the man who works on my Brother (usually once a year because  after 18 years of him working on it, he taught me so much about the machine, he just does a tune up once every 12-18 months.)  I really want his input, since he also services the other machines at the place where this one is.  The man down the road from me gave me basically the same info re: costs and availability as you did.  I am not one to chase unicorns, so a good used refurbished would be more of what I am looking for.  

US 

[Michiel]

This is the timing belt for the 169

https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/0169002130-timing-belt-adler-169-269-genuine.html

[UncleSam]

Thank you Michiel for the link.  

US

[shoepatcher]

the Adler 169-373 0r -73 is a large bobbin medium duty  walking foot cylinder arm.  In the class of a 341 and Juki 1341 machine.  Good machines.  Your machine looks like it has only needle positioner on.  I doubt is has air lift , back tack and trimmers.  If that is the case,  you are further ahead to replace the Efka motor with a new servo motor and  needle positioner.  I need to see more pics of the back of the machine.  Great machines!  I would buy but I work on machines.  Call Durkopp/Adler America in  Georgia and give them the part number mention in this post to see what a timing belt will cost.

glenn

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[UncleSam]

Thank you Glenn for the great information.  It does not have air lift, or back tack I do tknow that.  I'll  call Durkopp/Adler today.  

US

[UncleSam]

I talked to the lady I work for today, and she agrees that the machine, for me anyway, is not going to work financially.  For her, she wants a flatbed, no cylinder or post or removable flat table, something she can use for medium or thinner leathers.  They have a large heavy at the shop, so something like a smaller, flat bed would be the right machine.  She would be thinking of quick sale or trade or even trade with payments on machine she needs.  It is not doing anything for her at the moment in the shop.  Ebay/Craigslist at this point is not an option.  Any enquiries can be made through me here, or you can contact her directly.  Right now the shop is flooded with year end work on saddles, bespoke items and inventory for years end.  

Any help would be really appreciated on this.

Regards, US