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You guys are fast. lol Here are some links that may help. This is actually for bending two lines together whereas whipmakers tie it as an end knot??? My link My link My link

Hi all, Looking around I found this. ....knotworkn has found and posted some errors and corrections for a few knots including the Box Pattern heel knot. Click the link below and then click on "photos". My link I also found this great photo of Bud's Box Pattern Heel Knot.

This is a 16p X 16b 2 pass, Type 1 using the base 9p X 8b Turks Head using gutted Cross Lace cord. Brian, Knothead, told me it reminded him of the box pattern. All I did was skip the center over on each of the down half cycles. Citizen Kate was kind enough to post my tutorial/grid for the 16p x 16b 2 pass Type 1 Pineapple Knot here: My link I hope this helps some. I'm really looking forward to your tutorial, too! Another one using Venitian Blind cord.

Those are really nice!

Well, I've been really busy with a new grandson arriving Easter afternoon but I've been planning this one for a while. Red, white and blue gutted Cross Lace 16p x 16b, 3 pass, type 1 Pineapple Knot with a pattern variation. The second and third passes are only 4 bights each and don't follow the PK "rules" of splitting pairs. This is to correct the uneven leg lengths created from using two colors. When sticking with the "rules", one leg of the ^ is 2 cord widths long and the other is 3 cord widths long and creates a lopsided look to the ^. The ^'s still have different lengths, 2 cord widths for the white line and 3 for the red line but the ^'s are even, or consistent sizes for each color now. I used a 3 strand alternate crown sennit of gutted Cross Lace set into a 3/8" SS thimble with six strand Mathew Walkers on top and bottom. It has a 3/4" wooden core that I drilled a 1/4" hole through to accommodate the 6 strands passing through it. Here's the PK variation that still follows the "split the pairs" rule. I still have to finish cutting the lines w/wood burning tool and tuck them under, but you should be able to see the difference in the two. The alternate crown sennit and Mathew Walkers on this one have the core still in the lines but the PK is gutted. Photos of the two side by side. The one on the left follows the split the pair rule while the one on the right ignores this rule.

Here's another 16p X 16b 2 pass, Type 1 Pineapple Knot using the base 9p X 8b Turks Head with a little variation thrown in similar to the brown and white one shown on the first page of this thread, except this one uses gutted Cross Lace cord. Link to Cross Lace cord. Definite Purpose vs Haphazard Randomness A 4 strand sq sennit with a 6 strand Mathew Walker on top and an 8 strand MW on bottom.

What? More info than I needed to hear, but you're either old or not doing it right. LOL Just kidding entiendo. Great looking necklace!

Here's a PK I tied recently using one of Don's fine needles. It is a 16p x 16b, 2 pass, Type 1 PK key fob in Univ. of FL Gators colors. I used Cross Lace cord throughout. I started with the 4 strand round braid that is joined together at the base with a constrictor knot. Then I passed the ends through a 5/16" drilled hole in a 20 mm round wooden bead and tied an 8 strand Mathew Walker knot. The ends of the cords have a sort of half round ball on their ends from burning with a lighter. This PK is dressed extremely hard and tight. It feels like a rock and almost everyone that holds it comments on how hard it is; one co-worker even asked how rope can be so hard. lol I made a tutorial for this PK and CitizenKate was kind enough to post it in the Tutorial section: 16p x 16b, 2 Pass, Type 1 PK tutorial/grid

You may have to be a member to view this but it's free and you will enjoy KHWW! Here are some TH video tutorials by Tim Allwine: Tim Allwine TH tuts Another one: Introduction to the Turks Head Tool

Nice job Arley! The handles look great! Hi 8thsinner, Don has 5 sizes of needles here: knottool.com Anodized aluminum needles which are bored and threaded at the back end to take various sizes of cord. These needles will change the way you tie knots. The anodized surface slides easily thru knots of synthetic or natural material. Colors will vary. Size 1 is useful for 0.8 to 1.4mm cord Size 2 is useful for 1.0 to 2.0mm cord Size 4 is useful for 2.0 to 3.0mm cord Size 6 is useful for parachute cord Size 8 is useful for 3.0 to 4.0mm cord

Hi Doug, Here's one I know of. Hope it helps. Myriam's leash tut

Thanks 8thsinner. I really like the knot, too, and I liked the story of the Headhunter Knot here: http://www.apwa.org.au/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=8&thread_id=115 Ouote below from jaspenhof from thread, "Headhunter's Knot" at Australian Plaiters & Whipmakers Association. My earliest recollection of the knot was back about 50 years ago where I came across it in The Encyclopedia of Knots and Fancy Work. I spent some time today, trying to find it again, but will have to just about read the whole book again. That's not a bad thing. Their write-up about the knot was that they were allowed to take a picture of the finished knot but not tell how it was made up. They had actually gone to Africa to research various knots for the book. Over the space of a few years, I would work on that knot and try to get it where it looked like the one in the book. After about 5 or so years, I finally came up with about as close as one can get. Then I promptly forgot about it 'cause headhunting was no longer popular.

The 7p x 45b 2 pass Headhunter Knot. It's definitely the most bights in any knot I've tied. lol Using Tim's amazing Grid Maker, coding is \\//\\, I sized the grid's strand width for the navy blue Cross Lace cord I used. I also set the Strand Gap Size the same size to accommodate the kelly green line. I just put a piece of line on the pc screen while changing the strand width and gap sizes until they were the same. To get the approximate 10" circumference I wanted, I increased or decreased the # of bights until the grid on the screen equaled 10". This was to cut down on dressing the knot. Next I printed and taped it to a thin homemade cardboard tube filled w/plastic grocery bags and inserted the 90 pins. 9 1/2' of Navy blue line completed by following the half cycle list. Followed with 9 1/2' of Kelly Green line to complete the bracelet. This is straight off the grid without doing any dressing of the knot that has almost 2' of line per inch The cross lace cord is so stiff that the bracelet is huge on my wrist and won't close up any at all, much different than my Nantucket Sailor bracelet tied out of 1/8" white braided nylon from Wally World which closes up completely by squeezing it from all angles once it's on. I suppose I could get some plastic buckles and cauterize the bracelet to the right size with a wood burning tool and cover that up with a couple of Turks Head knots to save the work in this one. I just learned "the mule" and tied my first Nantucket Sailor's Bracelet this past January 2009. It's a 5 part x 14 bright Turks Head with 14' of 1/8 nylon line from Wally World. My thanks to Dan at The Pineapple Knot Forum for all his help. I think getting the A B crossover was harder for me than doing the mule. I finally figured it out with the help of Boatswain's Mate, Volume 1.

Sorry Michael, I should have been clearer in my post above. That is small heel knot that Bud made and posted, not tied be me. It is very cool!

You're more than welcome Michael. So many great people have helped me get where I am, it only feels right to pass the info on. I might as well show you another way. LOL Bud Brewer was a master knotter who sadly is no longer with us, but he left us many beautiful photos and tutorials at KHWW.net (he co founded it w/Brian). So by studying his work I came up with this. I tie mine on a mandrel but if you tie yours on the core this method probably won't help. First take a look at this pic. Notice the knot is almost set but still has a little slack in it. Now look at the core. It's just a little smaller than half the length of the knot. So that's how I've been doing my core sizes. Just measure the length of the knot right before it is tightened down and go just a little smaller than half of that for the core. Works for me sometimes but not always. LOL And his finished piece. One thing almost all great knotters say is to keep a good knot workbook with good notes. Rick skyout

Here's another link about gaucho knots: http://www.taylortel.net/~stwood/gaocho-weave.html Finding the right knot to fit your core is something I've long struggled with. Here's Sydney's lesson on knot sizes: http://www.taylortel.net/~stwood/knotsize.html Sydney told us on KHWW.net in the first eZine: About Interweaves In most cases the circumference or diameter of the knot is the critical factor and we have to adjust the parts to get the right number, for the interweave, as needed and accept the length that results. For normal type one and two pineapples you use the number of bights in the outer bight boundaries as the basis for diameter. The results of the calculations for interweaves will not come quite as close to a particular target value but they usually come close enough for government work. In Conclusion You can use the formulas in this form to determine the actual dimensions of a given knot with the optimum 90 degree crossing of parts to double check after the required adjustments in parts or bights from above... Circumference = (1.4 X string width) X bights. Diameter = (.45 X string width) x bights. Length = (1.4 X string width) x [(parts ÷ 2) + 1]. By Sidney Wood January, 2009 There is a whole lot more at the eZine which is available on the left size of KHWW home page under Navigation/downloads/eZine issue 1. Here's the link but I'm not sure if it works or if you have to join KHWW (it's free and has a great membership that loves to help fellow knotters). http://khww.net/ezine/KHWW-Issue-1.pdf Another thread where I asked this question: http://www.khww.net/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=488 And one more: http://www.khww.net/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=16&thread_id=429 Hope this helps some, but I really think the guys and gals that amaze me with perfect jobs every time just do it from experience. Amazing.

Check out post# 4 from the "Rein Knots" thread. Brian posted a link to some gauchos from Ron Edwards that may help. http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=30037&pid=188165&st=0entry188165

Glad it helps. Rick

I found these three types of six strand braids a while back. Hope it helps. Leather Braiding by John Rick skyout

I almost put 1:30 o'clock. LOL

Hi Jacquee and thanks. I really love your work and your web page is great, too! My Mom's cousin used to raise miniature horses, too. Those fids Mitch made are great but the real treasure to me was Bud's little copper spike. Bud is passed away now but he was Brian's partner/co founder of KHWWW and was a great knotter who gave us many tutorials, a master carpenter and metal worker. I just today found what I think is my spike that Bud took a picture of. It's the third on the right on the top in the pic below. For the members that haven't seen these photos, you are in for a treat if you like homemade tools. Click the link for Bud's photo album "## Spikes n Fids ##": http://picasaweb.google.com/cbrewsix/SPIKESNFIDS#">http://picasaweb.google.com/cbrewsix/SPIKESNFIDS# Rick skyout

Hi all, I just wanted to tell you that I'm the lucky dog that is "the friend in Florida". This beautiful key fob (with the turnbuckle) arrived yesterday. I can tell you guys and girls this is much, much nicer in hand than any picture you'll see of this awesome piece of art. Thanks so much again Brian, it's beautiful! Along with this Brian put some other goodies in the package. WOW! It felt like Christmas. 1/8" beveled roo lace A spike Bud Brewer made 3 blood wood fids by Mitch Gage Rick skyout

OK, after looking closer at the half cycle run lists, the 3 section fan or boton oriental in Grant's book only has 8 bights while the link in the previous post has 11 bights for a larger knot. So here's the grid for the 25part x 8bight 3 section fan or boton oriental. http://tiny.cc/je6im I've also included the two grids into the Grid Catalog at KHWW. Thanks again so much Tracy and I can't wait to see your bracelets. Rick skyout