Wonderboy

Thanks for replying Solar. I could only previously see the assembly manual. Very helpful.

Thanks Darren for the manual, very much appreciated. Love my manuals... At this stage I've categorised EPNS as something that's not essential for me. I've seen some google images (I think this may be one of yours?) of the 4500 like this one which I have to say is my style. I know it's only aesthetics but it's nice to have something that looks good when you plan on spending a lot of time with it. I have other tables in the area I've chosen for the machine I will purchase which are made from the table top hardwood purchased from Bunnings so it would match very nicely. So to confirm the 4500 doesn't come with the U shaped large desk that the smaller 3200 can come with? All the pictures I've seen of the 4500 seem to be of this pedestal style bench.

Haha, yes that would be frustrating... It's always interesting to hear people's feedback. What one person loves another can't stand. @Darren Brosowski thanks for the useful information. It's funny as I was chatting to my wife about the table tonight. It's another difference and something to note as we want the heavy table so good to know it comes standard with the Cowboy! My comments about lack of information are directed at the manufacturers, in this case Cowboy and Cobra. I'm accustomed to being able to find user guides and specification lists on manufacturers sites but for the life of me I can not find them. For example, can you tell me where to find an electronic user guide on the Cowboy manufacturer's website? I'm even reading about how customers of Cowboy and Cobra have not received their physical user guide so request one to be posted to them. It's strange because I use electronic versions whenever possible. Physical copies are old school these days... I would always come to a site like this for feedback (user experience, word of mouth, etc) but specs and user guides are things I would expect as a customer to easily find on manufacturers websites. Let me know if I'm going blind as it's entirely possible too.

Thanks for replying Wiz. Very helpful. Sorry, can I please confirm is the Family Sew motor standard or extra? If extra what do the cost approximately?

Thanks a lot Rocky and Wiz for the valued input. Thanks for the offer too Rocky... Point noted with min stitch thickness. I double checked and the thickness will be about 2mm so this shouldn't be an issue for me. Good to know the machines are identical as this simplifies comparing the machines. Seems the above things I've listed are the main differences.

Hi. I'm in the market for a compound feed walking foot sewing machine that will sew leather ranging in thickness from ~1mm leather to ~20mm. I've been reading about the Cowboy CB4500 and Cobra Class 4. From what I've read people are saying they are "basically" the same machine, but are they really? Are they exactly the same (aka 'identical') in even way apart from the following differences? - the cobra has EPNS (not sure I need EPNS when the machines can stitch so slowly at ~1 stitch per second) - the cobra comes with more accessories up front (but has a higher cost) - cost. in Australia the Class4 costs $5150 while the 4500 costs $4600. This is 11% difference for me. - the Cowboy has stainless steel needle plates and feet (not really an issue for me as I can't see myself sewing damp leather) - in my humble opinion the Cowboy looks much nicer (personal thing) I'm a complete newbie but I have to say I have found it extremely hard to find even the most basic information on these machines that allows me to compare. The information above is from this website and not from manufacturers websites. I can't even find the electronic user guides for these machines.

Hi. Newbie here. I'm considering purchasing either the Cobra Class 4 or the Cowboy CB4500 and wish to know how useful really is the ENPS? I mean considering how slow these machines can sew I'm just not sure if it is a genuinely useful feature or just simply marketing. I am leaning towards the CB4500 mainly due to it being about AU$600 cheaper (here in Australia), it's aesthetics (I don't like the brown look of the Class 4), and the stainless needle plates and feet.