Handstitched Report post Posted September 26, 2023 How is the ' raised' part made? Is it similar to making rounds? A rounded wood mold, moistened leather , and suitable hammer , and leather molded into shape? Just thought I'd adapt the same method for making dog collars. I made a collar with a raised part this arvo,, its good enough for sale, but the method needs refining. This may even become a foray into making tack . I did do a search before I posted, without success. Thanks HS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcuk Report post Posted September 27, 2023 On 9/26/2023 at 1:41 PM, Handstitched said: How is the ' raised' part made? Is it similar to making rounds? A rounded wood mold, moistened leather , and suitable hammer , and leather molded into shape? Just thought I'd adapt the same method for making dog collars. I made a collar with a raised part this arvo,, its good enough for sale, but the method needs refining. This may even become a foray into making tack . I did do a search before I posted, without success. Thanks HS He is a couple of clips from YouTube that may be of be some help, it is the same method for a Browband. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajI5AyaXh8M With a Skirt Shave/French Edger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU5IzvX3lrc With a Single Head Knife. You can use this method also just make sure you use a high number edge shave on the filler to give it the rounder looking finished look. A larger number Hollow Edge Shave if you have one would give it a better appearance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz6VA5mhwbo Hope this helps JCUK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomE Report post Posted September 27, 2023 @jcuk covered it well with the links. I'd only add that the first 2 video links are what I call a "swell" -2 straps with skived edges formed in a rounding block. The 3rd link is what I call "raised leather" - a split strap with a filler inserted. Whatever terminology you prefer they are different techniques. For swells I use a Japanese style knife or a head knife for most of the skiving and do a bit of leveling up with a French edger. I case the top strap after skiving and shape it in a rounding block, check its fit to the backer strap, then let it dry a few hours before gluing and assembling the 2 straps. I keep the backer strap dry and shape the curved front around it. I haven't figured out how to sew swells on a machine so I hand sew them. For raised leather I am splitting ~10 oz leather to ~ 3 oz of grain side and the rest as flesh side, or I split another strap for the backer so both sides have grain showing. The backer strap serves as a stiff platform to shape the grain side around a filler strip. I use a ~5 oz filler strip for a 10 oz split strap. The edges are trimmed after gluing and assembly, so I typically start with a strap that is ~3/8" wider than the desired finished width. You'll need a larger margin if sewing with a machine. An in-line or narrow pressor foot set will help. I have a bucket full of practice straps that are my raised leather graveyard. By playing around with thicknesses and widths you can create different looks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handstitched Report post Posted September 29, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 2:13 AM, jcuk said: He is a couple of clips from YouTube that may be of be some help, it is the same method for a Browband. I watched the second clip for the dog collar , a bit shorter. The rounding blocks is what I figured. I just need to make some now. On 9/28/2023 at 5:44 AM, TomE said: I haven't figured out how to sew swells on a machine so I hand sew them. The second pic is exactly what I had in mind. I'll try to machine sew them ( have a 441 clone).. I also have just the perfect ' round tool' . Its a brass milliners tool for making hats with a round ball at the end . Its been staring at me all these years on my bench, its now actually going to get used. Thanks to you both I now have a much better understanding of how its done. HS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomE Report post Posted September 29, 2023 8 hours ago, Handstitched said: I watched the second clip for the dog collar , a bit shorter. The rounding blocks is what I figured. I just need to make some now. The second pic is exactly what I had in mind. I'll try to machine sew them ( have a 441 clone).. I also have just the perfect ' round tool' . Its a brass milliners tool for making hats with a round ball at the end . Its been staring at me all these years on my bench, its now actually going to get used. Thanks to you both I now have a much better understanding of how its done. HS My brother made a rounding block for me out of pine and I gave it a light coat of beeswax. This was a prototype before he makes one out of hardwood, but it has been working fine for 18 months. The only commercial rounding block that I found is sold by Abbey England. The brass ball sounds like a good fit. I use a bone folder an a large pear shader for 5/8" straps. The trick about sewing a swell with a machine is there's no flat surface for the pressor foot and the strap slips sideways under pressure. Will be very interested in how you do this. For raised leather with a flat filler strip an inline foot can be used on the narrow margin, but to sew really close to the raised element I run an inside foot on top of the filler strip. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handstitched Report post Posted October 7, 2023 Just a quick update, I have a a woodworker friend of mine that can make me a mold for the ' raised dog collars . He's not going to charge me anything, theres no such thing as a free lunch in my world, even if its just a few beers HS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomE Report post Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Handstitched said: Just a quick update, I have a a woodworker friend of mine that can make me a mold for the ' raised dog collars . Looking forward to hearing about your experiences with the raised leather. Always looking for new ideas and improvements. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites