Another mystery machine

[AlZilla]

Can anyone id this old industrial machine? I have another picture from the operator side I'll upload later, much too big for now.

https://maine.craigslist.org/atq/d/dresden-antique-sewing-machine/7674315127.html

There is no kind of identifying anything on the machine. There's a brass tag on the column but not a thing remains to be read.

Thanks

[leecopp]

Hey AlZilla,

My bluff is that it is a Wheeler and Wilson Industrial machine, perhaps a #12

[CowboyBob]

@AlZilla Looks like a Singer model #21(forerunner of 111w) to me.Great pics of everything BUT the front!!LOL!! Ask them to turn it around & see if it has a ag on it & maybe another pic or 2 will help us.

Edited November 1, 2023 by CowboyBob

[AlZilla]

Thanks, guys.  Here's the operator side. The tag is apparently obliterated but it and the 2 pins above it look suspiciously like something Singer would have done. It does bear a strong resemblance to the W&W 12 but I think it's probably post buyout of W&W by Singer and based on their #12.

[AlZilla]

I had to downsize that pic to get it small enough. When I blow up the original, it looks like a twin needle. I've asked for a closer look.

If I'm reading ISMACS right, I think that makes it a class 22 of unknown revision. I may have to go get it.

Anyone else think it's a 22?

[CowboyBob]

14 hours ago, AlZilla said:

I had to downsize that pic to get it small enough. When I blow up the original, it looks like a twin needle. I've asked for a closer look.

If I'm reading ISMACS right, I think that makes it a class 22 of unknown revision. I may have to go get it.

Anyone else think it's a 22?

Yes,it's a double needle model 22,single needle of this type is model #21,the model #12 has a shorter arm & doesn't have this type of slide plates.Here's a parts list for this machine.

Singer_22W1,_W110.pdf

Edited November 2, 2023 by CowboyBob

[AlZilla]

2 hours ago, CowboyBob said:

Here's a parts list for this machine.

Cool. Thank you. I'm thinking I'll try to get down there this weekend. Looks like a fun machine.

 

[CowboyBob]

@AlZilla Just so you know it's a light duty machine that just has bottom feed in it.

[AlZilla]

18 minutes ago, CowboyBob said:

@AlZilla Just so you know it's a light duty machine that just has bottom feed in it.

Thanks. I figured it was pretty much a textile machine, but it should be fun.

[AlZilla]

Well, I dragged it home. Closer inspection of the brass plate and it says 22w156. Looks like it started life with a roller presser but now sports a regular double needle foot. One needle as been removed and the left drive gear for the bobbin backed off so it's been used as a single needle. Everything turns as it should so I'll restore it to double needle function.

Patent dates are 1892 and 1897. Serial number location is still a mystery.

The table top and speed reducer are home brewed. The reducer uses the pillow blocks on a shaft setup with 2 pulleys. I priced that setup out once and if I remember right I was looking at $40 or $50.

I looked around for an operators manual to no avail yet. If someone has a PDF, I'd appreciate a copy.

Thanks for the help getting it ID'd.