Very wide twin needle guage machines?

[medion]

Hi all,

I do a lot of production sewing which involves wide hems, which I currently do with two passes on a single needle Juki. I'd like to upgrade to something more efficient for this task, and I'm looking into long arm compound feed twin needle machines. From what I can gather however, most needle gauge adjustments max out at 24.4mm / 1" - however I am hoping to achieve something like a 32mm / 1.25" gauge spacing between the two needles.

Is anyone able to recommend or suggest machine(s) capable of this?

Cheers!

[nejcek74]

If you check part lists of Pfaff 1242 subclasses, they go up to 72 mm. 1242 is double feed, feed dog and needle fed so it is more an upholstery than a leather-working machine. Btw I have one with a simple 4,8 mm gauge that I use for flat felled seam on fabric.

PFAFF 1242 parts.pdf

p.s. you didn’t wrote what kind of material and what thickness you would like to work with.

Edited January 13 by Northmount
Uploaded file, removed google link

[Happycow]

On 1/12/2025 at 1:40 AM, medion said:

Hi all,

I do a lot of production sewing which involves wide hems, which I currently do with two passes on a single needle Juki. I'd like to upgrade to something more efficient for this task, and I'm looking into long arm compound feed twin needle machines. From what I can gather however, most needle gauge adjustments max out at 24.4mm / 1" - however I am hoping to achieve something like a 32mm / 1.25" gauge spacing between the two needles.

Is anyone able to recommend or suggest machine(s) capable of this?

Cheers!

Hi, I have a Seiko LSW28BL, it came with a 1.5 inch gauge but, I changed it to 1/2 inch

[nylonRigging]

Any of the needle gauge sets for the mechanics of Needle-Feeds machines, like Singer 112/212 style feet and feed will go past farther than 1.5 inch wide. Real easy to set-up also. reasonable priced and easy to find.
For newer machines I like the double-needle juki LH model in that foot style and feed. but I still got old singers to.

example here .. offer up to .. 1 - 3/4"

.

Edited July 13 by nylonRigging

[Constabulary]

be careful with very wide needle spaces and Singer 212 machines (& their clones - probably). I have a 212G141 and have it set up for 1/4" + 3/4" and wanted to use 1" as well BUT due to the width of the double needle holder it is necessary to alter / grind off some material from the casting to make room for the wider needle holder. I only can speak for the 212G1414 (using 135x16 needles) but the problem may be the same on other machines / brands as well.

However in my case I´m using a split needle holder which is longer than the standard needle holder so it may depend on the machine and how you set it up.

I just wanted to share my experience. 😉

This is what I did with my 212G141 some years ago

 

[nylonRigging]

11 hours ago, Constabulary said:

be careful with very wide needle spaces and Singer 212 machines (& their clones - probably). I have a 212G141 and have it set up for 1/4" + 3/4" and wanted to use 1" as well BUT due to the width of the double needle holder it is necessary to alter / grind off some material from the casting to make room for the wider needle holder. I only can speak for the 212G1414 (using 135x16 needles) but the problem may be the same on other machines / brands as well.

However in my case I´m using a split needle holder which is longer than the standard needle holder so it may depend on the machine and how you set it up.

I just wanted to share my experience. 😉

This is what I did with my 212G141 some years ago

 

That good to know . I mulling it around in my head right now on doing a 7/8" gauge on an old 112 that is sitting not being used . Setting it up for stitching both edges of 1" webbing on a pattern I been doing .
My personal quest/problem at this moment on the gauge setup is . On the 112/212 press feet . They offer Press Feet with a L-side and R-side edge guide, and that pretty standard ... BUT, What I really like to find is a Presser Foot with an ' edge guide on both sides ' so I can feed the strips webbing directly into/under Press foot .
But most likely me getting double-edge guide is probably something that I am going to have to end-up myself Garage McGver'ing and soldering small thin strips of material to both sides of Foot for a double edge guide Foot .

.

[kgg]

1 hour ago, nylonRigging said:

edge guide on both sides

Why not use a simple double edge guide that would be attached to the bed that way it creates a track that you would feed the webbing into???? I did a small table top attachment for my 441 clone that I think the same principal maybe would work for your needs. You can see the two edge guides to the left of the binder attachment in the photo.

kgg 

 

[nylonRigging]

3 hours ago, kgg said:

Why not use a simple double edge guide that would be attached to the bed that way it creates a track that you would feed the webbing into???? I did a small table top attachment for my 441 clone that I think the same principal maybe would work for your needs. You can see the two edge guides to the left of the binder attachment in the photo.

kgg 

 

I tried blowing up the Pic. some to see. But still little hard for me to see exactly what you are talking about with a double-edge guild, on the Feed of that cylinder bed.

A lot of Flat-Bed double needles come with a attachment slide plate, right in front of the Feed ( pic. below ) . I do have use that for securing different folders and such. I could just attach a 1" wide feed guild to that. I might end-up having to go that route . But I trying to keep it more visually clean for my eyes to follow pencil markings of where to hand guide the webbing on top the material as I laying down stitches.
The 112/212 needle-feeds style machines keep the press foot really low also when stitching. They pendulum walk with the feed dogs. never high stepping like a Compound or a Drop-walk feed . So if there was both a L and R guide on both sides of the Presser Foot. It really never loos contact guiding 1"webbing under the 7/8" needle gauge Foot.
-



-

[kgg]

9 hours ago, nylonRigging said:

But still little hard for me to see exactly what you are talking about with a double-edge guild

The two pieces which are "L" shaped can slide independently in the two tracks, one track in the front and one in the rear. They are locked down by tightening the two purple knobs in each track. When I'm not using the binding attachment I move the guide on the right side of the needle to whatever distance I need and lock it in the track. The guide for the right hand side of the needle has a cutout to prevent the tightening bolt for the needle from hitting it. Then I move the other guide on the left right side to the proper distance to guide the belt.

I can remember seeing a binding tape setup where the binding attachment was mounted vertically rather then you standard horizontal just above and in front of the needle with the binding tape / webbing being feed down from the top of the machine. 

kgg