Binding with a right angle binder on a walking foot machine

[Dave9111]

I meant an Adler 98 Zig Zag.  Not 69.

[nylonRigging]

5 hours ago, Dave9111 said:

I meant an Adler 98 Zig Zag.  Not 69.

 

Your Pfaff 1245 is not a common machine for finding Synchronized-swing binder set-ups . for your compound feed that would really be the thing for you to get hookedup with trying to do a correct professional set-up . If you had a 335 you be golden they common for aftermarket . I dont thing KHsew in Hong Kong does one either, and only one I see offering syncro-swing  parts for a 1245 is Italian . Offering  Dog/plate, Feet, and Bracket is this one.in link below--->  They List parts model #'s of... 145 / 245 / 545 / 1245

1245/syncr/swing/bind

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Edit Add:  Well I lied to you...LOL .

I logged-into KH and looked around and, they Do offer for Pfaff 1245 . I bought things from KHsew before and they are 'very' good quality machined aftermarket parts, and super Fast on the delivery to.

KH/1245/swing .. https://www.khsew.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=141_143_250&product_id=383

KH/1245/Dog-Needle Plate .. https://www.khsew.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=374

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Edited February 12 by nylonRigging

[Dave9111]

This synchronized swing binder is on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166181002954?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=gU3nAcQKSqG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=FGCZDBBTSMO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

But it doesn't actually contain the folding device?   Why would they not sell that as part of this sale?  

This seems odd.

So, due to the compound feed, it appears that the Pfaff 1245 is not a great machine for binding? 

Edited February 12 by Dave9111

[nylonRigging]

4 hours ago, Dave9111 said:

This synchronized swing binder is on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166181002954?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=gU3nAcQKSqG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=FGCZDBBTSMO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

But it doesn't actually contain the folding device?   Why would they not sell that as part of this sale?  

This seems odd.

So, due to the compound feed, it appears that the Pfaff 1245 is not a great machine for binding? 

 

Man that a cheap price to start building a setup . .

All the binder throats are sold separate In different sizes for the width of binding you using .. All you do is just take Off/On with the two screws on end of arm, and that good for you so you can move back-forth from maybe 1/2 or 3/4" for your thin stuff. to 1" and wider for thicker binding . . 

Your compound feed should do a very good job binding, it just a different feed with certain characteristics. Your clipped into a hole on the Dog and your swinging synchronized to the feed motion . you just have to learn to set-up and then build a technique by just binding different edges/shapes/thickness ..

all binder size throats sold separate sizes/widths. just take out 2 screws and swap the tapes . If you have different size feet cut/shaped  married to that size Tape, then you swap them also.  .. PIC.

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[Dave9111]

1 hour ago, nylonRigging said:

 

Man that a cheap price to start building a setup . .

All the binder throats are sold separate In different sizes for the width of binding you using .. All you do is just take Off/On with the two screws on end of arm, and that good for you so you can move back-forth from maybe 1/2 or 3/4" for your thin stuff. to 1" and wider for thicker binding . . 

Your compound feed should do a very good job binding, it just a different feed with certain characteristics. Your clipped into a hole on the Dog and your swinging synchronized to the feed motion . you just have to learn to set-up and then build a technique by just binding different edges/shapes/thickness ..

all binder size throats sold separate sizes/widths. just take out 2 screws and swap the tapes . If you have different size feet cut/shaped  married to that size Tape, then you swap them also.  .. PIC.

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Got it.

It would be worth it to me to spend a couple hundred on a setup that works properly.  Ive been tossing money into the wind and getting nowhere, $35 at a time. 

Ill do more digging.  They must have some other things on ebay that I missed.  I saw the knurled screws on the bar and was thinking that was for something else rather than the binder throat sheetmetal.  

In the kit that came with the binder I have, it included a smooth feed dog with a hole in it for a moving attachment, it also included a needle plate (that surrounds the dog) but the bobbin housing doesnt engage the needle plate properly from below.

This Pfaff 1245 is automated and I think it had a thread cutter/trimmer on it but it was removed before I got it.  That just complicates an already complicated situation.

Thanks

[Agent319]

It seem this Mil-T-5038H class 1A type lll has some very basic selection of colors.  Have a good source for a good burnt orange or tan brown? 

[Dave9111]

On 2/15/2025 at 5:31 PM, Agent319 said:

It seem this Mil-T-5038H class 1A type lll has some very basic selection of colors.  Have a good source for a good burnt orange or tan brown? 

These guys don't say their tape is 5038 but they have a lot of colors.   Does anyone know anything about this company?

https://americanplastics.com/collections/narrow-binding-tape

I bought some black tape that said it was 5038 spec tape on Amazon but the tape itself does not have that marked on it.  I suspect it is Chinese tape but it worked well in my binder.  

 

[Dave9111]

An update on my binder:

I bought some 5038 tape off of Amazon.  It says mil spec but the tape is not marked as such.   Still, it works well in my binder.   Its quite slippery so it glides through the folder very nicely.

300 yards of black 1" was $35.00

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BPK36VBK?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

 

I also obtained some Sailrite bias binding, 1" black polyester. 

https://www.sailrite.com/Top-Notch-9-Polyester-Bias-Binding-Tape-Black-1-Inch

This also worked well and it laid down a bit better than the 5038 in the curves.  

The problem with the Sailrite tape is cost.  $136 for 100 yards, vs the Amazon 5038 tape which was $35 for 100 yards.  

For my needs, which does not require showcase quality, the 5038 is very adequate.   I think if I used a more narrow 5038 tape I could get better results around the corners.  However, this is with my existing fixed binder.

I did order a synchronized binder off Ebay.  It should be here in about 3 weeks.  Apparently it is shipping from China.  They had the same items on Amazon and those also shipped from China.  It costs $130 including the bracket, feet, dog, and needle plate and folder.

Thanks for the help guys!  I really appreciate it! 

Here are some picts:  

Edited February 16 by Dave9111

[nylonRigging]

10 hours ago, Dave9111 said:

I think if I used a more narrow 5038 tape I could get better results around the corners.  However, this is with my existing fixed binder.

Nice.. you are starting to work some binding, and working on building technique with laying down some stitches. the more you run binding, the easier it going to get for you, especially learning the little Idiosyncrasies your machine does with stitching and feeding it.

What you aying on that 'thinner' material you taping , and you using single-needle. If you turn radius with 3/4"width grosgrain typelll 1a, Instead of 1" wide . You are correct. The 3/4" will lay and turn nicer with less wrinkle distortion . Same for that Bias 1" the weave with single-needle. Bias always turns substantially tighter than the Grosgrain weave will . If you go 3/4" on that Bias, It will do some real tight turns and lay flat smooth/nice .
But.. you are getting the synchronized swing set-up and eventually working. So you will be able to just swap-out different size throats for taping width changes.

Dude.. 136-$ for 100 yrd. roll of 1" polyester bias is pretty SICK . I cant believe that price is correct ? . I pay usually in the .32 to .34 per yard for 100 yrd. mil.spec 1" Nylon 4082-1 herringbone-bias . The price for the Grosgrain is little high, but 'is what is' if you just picking up a roll or two occasionally off the Amazon .
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[Dave9111]

8 hours ago, nylonRigging said:

What you aying on that 'thinner' material you taping , and you using single-needle. If you turn radius with 3/4"width grosgrain typelll 1a, Instead of 1" wide

I bought the folder head for 3/4" tape after your comment.  It was about $11 with shipping.  Crazy cheap! 

I'll start looking for some 3/4" tape as well.

Its refreshing to have something that looks half way decent as a result!  I'm hoping the new binder can get results similar to what you are doing.   But there is some substantial skill involved which I still need to learn!   

I fought with my old 100 yard roll of Rochford straight cut binding tape for years.

This 5038 tape that I bought off Amazon is like night and day compared to the crappy Rochford tape.   Its an entirely different game with the better tapes.

When I bought the bias binding tape at Sailrite, I only bought 10 feet of it and that cost about $7.00.   Just enough to figure out if it would work or not.  I think most Sailrite buyers are hobby folks making a few pieces of canvas for their boat or project and that's about it.   Their fabric prices are not low.   I could not afford to do what I am doing if I had to pay Sailrite prices for everything.    I buy most of my fabric off Ebay.  Some of it has minor defects, but since it is for me, I can deal with that for the lower prices.  

When you buy binding tape, are you ordering it 100 yards at a time or a lot more than that?   32 to 34 cents per yard seems like a good price for real milspec tape.

What is a good price for 3/4" 5038 grosgrain if I am buying 100 yards at a time?  

Does the 4082 herringbone tape lay down better in the curves than the 5038?    

How do you determine when to use the 4082 vs the 5038?

Thanks!  

 

 

 

 

[nylonRigging]

2 hours ago, Dave9111 said:

When I bought the bias binding tape at Sailrite, I only bought 10 feet of it and that cost about $7.00.   Just enough to figure out if it would work or not.  I think most Sailrite buyers are hobby folks making a few pieces of canvas for their boat or project and that's about it.   Their fabric prices are not low.   I could not afford to do what I am doing if I had to pay Sailrite prices for everything.    I buy most of my fabric off Ebay.  Some of it has minor defects, but since it is for me, I can deal with that for the lower prices.  

When you buy binding tape, are you ordering it 100 yards at a time or a lot more than that?   32 to 34 cents per yard seems like a good price for real milspec tape.

What is a good price for 3/4" 5038 grosgrain if I am buying 100 yards at a time?  

Does the 4082 herringbone tape lay down better in the curves than the 5038?    

How do you determine when to use the 4082 vs the 5038?

Taking a harder look at that sailrite offering on that bias binding, It 'probably ?'  is quality weave for outdoors/marine environment, Poly for better UV life . it's double fold edge, so that is extra cost for them from the Mill. but the asking retail is pretty high-$ .
Buying off the Ebay is hit and miss,and lot of middle-man reselling. but I have run across some deals though in the past.
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Ya if you buying 1 roll at time on-line off ebay/amazon then you are kind of stuck. when I buy binding and tape, I always buy no less than1-k yrd. @ a time, and that is really not that much tape, as I goes pretty quick. On a color I use all time, I have had done custom color orders with 5-k yrd. and that will last me about 3 years average. and when ordering from a mill, you really don't even begin getting any price cuts unless you start getting 10-k plus+  Yrd. . Good mil.spec.Nylon 3/4" typelll runs ( I paid ) anywhere from .22 to .26 yrd. it all depends if you ordering from a Mill, or getting from a supplier with them having order drop-shipped from a mill.
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Ya herringbone-bias nylon lays down, turns and tracks good . Bias weave always flex's better than the straight line weave of grosgrain.
Financially...LOL,  you might want to move away from that sailrite Bias binding .   ( PM sent to you ) .
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The grosgrain and bias look different, turn different . ( me ) i determine which, by the needs of the Item. ( i think ) Nylon Gross grain makes a visually nice presentation for finished edge trim like small items, pocket front edges..etc.. The herringbone-bias I use for heavy thicker outside seams of bags, or bigger items. It all personal preferences.
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