Johanna Report post Posted April 23, 2007 http://www.taylortel.net/~stwood/index.html Thank you, Sidney! Johanna Basic_Turkshead.pdf Basic_Turkshead_Lesson_Two.pdf BasicTurkshead_Lesson_3.pdf Basic_Turkshead.pdf Basic_Turkshead_Lesson_Two.pdf BasicTurkshead_Lesson_3.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Genadek Report post Posted April 23, 2007 Excellent instructions!!!!!!!! Great Job!!!!!!! David Genadek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney Wood Report post Posted April 23, 2007 [if you want to try this method the attached pdf is some help with the mandrels Sidney Wood mandrels_with_pins_3.pdf mandrels_with_pins_3.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmilinJim Report post Posted April 24, 2007 Good Job Sidney, You have been a great help. Saw the coding on other sites but no explanations, at least where I was. Anything else you want to share feel free. Guess its time to delve into string theory. There is actually quite a bit of higher math explaining and proving the turks head. Anyway thanks again. Keep on Smilin Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney Wood Report post Posted April 24, 2007 Jim; Thank you for the kind words (David also). You are right about knot theory involving some heavy math but the one expression from lesson two is all you really need for a simple turkshead ( casa coded ). Done mentally it gives you some idea of what to expect before you start a particular knot. I found it in Tom Hall's book as the basis for an algorithm-diagram which I still have not figured out, but it predicts the first wrap or two of the cylindrical flat braid pattern. Actually you can braid any knot of this kind by a visual inspection as you go. The pinned mandrels help keep things organized and in place so you can concentrate on the braid pattern. The concept of the bight increment is the key to the whole thing and this is obvious from a template of the knot. I have a fourth lesson in the works that will be on the site in a few days. You mentioned pineapple knots earlier. I use method for interweaving two turksheads for a pineapple knot that I do without really thinking about it and as soon as I figure out a way to explain it so it makes sense I will put it up also. The attached picture is a long one on a hiking staff with a foundation of twenty something bights (I don't remember exactly how many). Sidney Wood Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney Wood Report post Posted May 7, 2007 I got first the section on on interweaves (simple pineapple) up on taylortel.net?~stwood a few minutes ago. This is the way I do them but there is a slghtly different approach you can use that will come next. If anybody would rather see a pdf here just ask. Sidney Wood Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankw Report post Posted May 7, 2007 These are the clearest explanations I've seen for making Turksheads and the pinned mandrel is a great help when learning the knots. I was looking forward to your discussion on intervowen knots, and I'll read the new addition carefully. The pineapple knots are gorgeous, but I've found them really tricky to tie. With your clear diagrams, I'm confident that things will get a lot easier now! Thanks for your effort! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DomTraveling Report post Posted February 7, 2009 [if you want to try this method the attached pdf is some help with the mandrelsSidney Wood mandrels_with_pins_3.pdf I may be dumb or I just don’t get it? How do I know which one of your different wraps to use if I’m only interested in the final product? How wide the knot will be? For instance, I have a mallet with a 1 ¼ diameter handle and I want to put a stop at the end that’s 1 inch wide. What is the formula to find out what number of pins to use on your mandrel? I want to use 1/8 braiding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Em Brand Whips Report post Posted February 6, 2010 http://www.taylortel...wood/index.html Thank you, Sidney! Johanna These videos may be of some help as well in tying a 6 bight pineapple knot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King's X Report post Posted February 6, 2010 Awesome! I appreciate it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acox4t4 Report post Posted October 28, 2010 Has anyone used with good results or heard of anyone using with good results a book called the Turks Head Cookbook?? Or used the Tool (mandrel) that also comes with the book? http://knottool.com/ordering.html this is the web site that I saw it on. I was thinking of ordering the book and tool to try and help me learn faster, easier since right now I will do it right one time but take a wrong move on the next try. So hoping to get a bit more consistant so that I can actually get a project finished. I'm greatly enjoying trying to learn how to braid and make knots, the more I can keep my hands full of lace the less food I have put in my mouth . Lost 30 lbs so far. So just wanting to see if anyone else has tried the book and tool to see what their take is on it. Thanks. Annette Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roo4u Report post Posted October 29, 2010 i have looked at that website a few times...and yes it would help you learn to tie turksheads if your having trouble forming the bights. i think some of it depends on what type of learner you are and if you can learn from a book. i have not seen the th cookbook perhaps brian from khww.net would know something more about it. maybe try posting a new topic about it and see what responses you can get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hell Bent 4 Leather Report post Posted December 30, 2011 Here's another video for making a turks head knot that I found. I couldn't get the other two vids in this thread to play, probably my compter, takes forever just to load one of these mesage boards. (no I don't have dial up, so that's not the problem) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sovran81 Report post Posted March 5, 2012 I learned the 5 x 6 turk that Bernie has in the above vids and can pretty much do it without thought. I recently found Dracs old post with tutorial on the turk he cant identify (http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=431&st=0&p=24535&hl=floggers&fromsearch=1entry24535 ) . LOL He isnt the only one. Anyway in bernies vid he goes over 2 stands in 2 different sections of the knot before the interweave. Drac shows you where to go over the 2 strands 1 time. I have tried the Drac method a dozen times or more. the knot come out looking really good for a while. Everything is centered and square, it seems like it is finish perfect. Then it all goes to $h1T. It fails at the same point every time. I am pretty sure this knot needs a 2nd set of over two strands, but I havent got a clue where. Each time it failed I backed up a few and tried it somewhat different with no luck at all. Can anyone out there point me in the right direction? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webothfarms Report post Posted August 14, 2012 Hi Annette, I have the first book, the second book and the tool. I have to say I have been tying turksheads for ages and I learned more from Bruce Grant's great book " Encyclopedia of Rawhide and Leather Braiding". It's not that the cook books aren't good, but I think you need a basic understanding of how the knots form up. The tool makes it easy to see where the parts and bights are, but taking the knot off the tool and forming it around whatever you are covering is a frig. Also, if you are making a knot around something that isn't open, like a steering wheel as opposed to a whip handle, the tool is not the tool and you have to revert to either Grant or Ashley ( Ashley Book of Knots). All that being said, the Cookbooks are great for trying new knots. But go through Grant first... Ponylady Has anyone used with good results or heard of anyone using with good results a book called the Turks Head Cookbook?? Or used the Tool (mandrel) that also comes with the book? http://knottool.com/ordering.html this is the web site that I saw it on. I was thinking of ordering the book and tool to try and help me learn faster, easier since right now I will do it right one time but take a wrong move on the next try. So hoping to get a bit more consistant so that I can actually get a project finished. I'm greatly enjoying trying to learn how to braid and make knots, the more I can keep my hands full of lace the less food I have put in my mouth . Lost 30 lbs so far. So just wanting to see if anyone else has tried the book and tool to see what their take is on it. Thanks. Annette Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sos Report post Posted May 7, 2015 I'm always checking back here ... can someone repost the documents ... there's one missing or broken link (I think). I've never been able to make heads or tails of it - because it feels like I'm missing a step. I see people talking about the math, I'm rather curious about this ... is this math for keeping the braids without spaces or how much leather you need to cut? ...because I'd love to see the formula's on how much leather to cut! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King's X Report post Posted May 7, 2015 The documents are available in the first and third post at the beginning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davis Livestock Report post Posted May 18, 2015 I understand the general idea behind the Turks head and have tied a bunch of them in the over one under one fashion but I see some of the better braiders using an under 2 over 2 knot or over 3 under 3. I haven't been able to find any videos on this is the concept bad ally the same? Any advice or links would be appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oltoot Report post Posted May 19, 2015 Just have to say this: I am amazed that somebody as klutzy as me could learn to tie these turksheads and make the interweaves but I am positively overwhelmed to think that somebody with no books to read and no coaches could figure out how to do them in the first place. And as to the math, I and I'll bet many others who braid can barely balance my checkbook. In a word WOW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bucksnort Report post Posted May 26, 2015 What your looking for is directions for a pineapple knot or a gaucho knot. I think if you search this forum there are some tutorials. The turkshead is the base & then the interweave completes the knot. Most braiding books have directions, some better than others. Bryan Neubert's video is great. It seems I've seen tutorials on here by Alan Bell & Leatherpownder that are good.ope this helps. Buck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sos Report post Posted July 17, 2015 The documents are available in the first and third post at the beginning. They fixed the link - I don't think they knew it was dead till I posted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sos Report post Posted July 17, 2015 I tried learning off this examples awhile back - I found these instructions to be far easier to follow for a 6 bight (which should be harder right?) ... didn't even need a guiding mandel tool (spelling). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bitta Report post Posted August 28, 2015 Found this video/slideshow for using a push pin jig to make them. Worked out great for the beginners! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeW9l3FGzEM. The video shows using paracord, but we used leather lace with no problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kulafarmer Report post Posted January 15, 2016 The documents are available in the first and third post at the beginning.In theory, But in reality Number 1 isnt all there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
