135x16 apparently the same as 135x17 TRI

[AlZilla]

I've always seen that 135x17 is the fabric and ,135x16 are the leather. 

Well, this is how the 135x16s I just bought are labeled. 

I'm just bellyaching ... I sent the first set back because I didn't see the 135x16.  Oh well ...

[Cumberland Highpower]

Yeah that's kinda odd way to mark the packs.  

Organ says when you take a 135x17 needle and make it a TRI it becomes a 135x16TRI.  I've seen that in their marketing material in the past.  I guess they just want to put it all out there for those that might be a bit confused in what to purchase? !

 

Edited yesterday at 12:15 AM by Cumberland Highpower

[kgg]

6 hours ago, AlZilla said:

I've always seen that 135x17 is the fabric and ,135x16 are the leather. 

True.

I checked and searched the Organ website and couldn't find any info on the DP x 17D. I would drop them an email and ask for info.

kgg

[Wizcrafts]

Labeling a leather point of any shape with a garment point designation is misleading. Leather cutting points tend to slice the fibers in cloth, webbing and serged patch borders. However, if any leather point has a snowball's chance in Hell of sewing cloth without destroying it, it is a diamond point needle. The shape is closer to round than the usual sideways slicing edge we have in leather points.

I haven't tried sewing patches on with a diamond point, and don't recommend it without testing it first on a disposable patch with the same type of edging.

I do use diamond/tri point needles on occasions when I want to sew close stitches that lay on top of leather projects, from end to end, versus S points that give a submerged appearance on the ends.

[AlZilla]

This is how they're listing them. Seems a company like Organ would know better.

On the other hand I suppose I can see lazy people calling them "135x17 leather points" and just expecting the great oracle to figure out what they mean.

 

[kgg]

29 minutes ago, AlZilla said:

This is how they're listing them. Seems a company like Organ would know better.

Why not just cut to the chase and buy a better brand of needle like Schmetz or Groz-Beckert needles??? Personally I have tried most brands and can honestly say that Schmetz needles have never given me any problems in any of my machines. I would say the Organ needles are a more budget-friendly alternative and cost about 50 percent that of Schmetz needles with Groz-Beckert somewhere in between.

kgg

 

Edited yesterday at 09:03 PM by kgg

[AlZilla]

4 hours ago, kgg said:

Why not just cut to the chase and buy a better brand of needle like Schmetz or Groz-Beckert needles??? Personally I have tried most brands and can honestly say that Schmetz needles have never given me any problems in any of my machines. I would say the Organ needles are a more budget-friendly alternative and cost about 50 percent that of Schmetz needles with Groz-Beckert somewhere in between.

kgg

 

Probably because that's what I could find in the sizes I wanted. I've never had any problems I've blamed on a poor quality needle.

My complaint is why label them with confusing, made up designations?

 

[Cumberland Highpower]

I've used some Organ needles and they seemed to be overall a good needle.  Schmetz are better overall but it is what it is.

I've also bought  them for hook and awl machines and in that regard they are just as good as any other.