Members bigsig11010 Posted December 27, 2025 Members Report Posted December 27, 2025 I have the steel flat plate on my Cowboy Outlaw. I also have the edge guide. When the flat bed is installed it makes the edge guide tilted to one side. My question then is are these two supposed to work together or are they mutually exclusive? Any help and guidance greatly appreciated. Pics attached i hope Quote
Members Constabulary Posted December 27, 2025 Members Report Posted December 27, 2025 The guide appears to be for the JUKI 441 + clones. So w/o knowing the CB Outlaw but knowing Singer 45K´s, Adler 5 / 105 and so forth I´d say either flat bed or edge guide. A suspended flip up edge guide probably is the better option when working with a flat bed. maybe something like this https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005008728390412 or check this thread: Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members Constabulary Posted December 27, 2025 Members Report Posted December 27, 2025 (edited) or you make a flat bed attachment where you can screw on an edge guide or modify yours. I once made this FBA for my Singer 45D91 but on mine I cannot use the 441 roller edge guide but the OEM Singer 45K edge guide that mounts on the flat bed steel plate insert. Note the 3 holes in line. Thats where I can mount guides and accessories. Edited December 27, 2025 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members dikman Posted December 27, 2025 Members Report Posted December 27, 2025 A couple of washers under the edge guide to level it maybe? Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members Constabulary Posted December 28, 2025 Members Report Posted December 28, 2025 but then the roller is no longer flush with he needle plate Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members dikman Posted December 28, 2025 Members Report Posted December 28, 2025 First photo it's level with the needle plate, just needs a washer or two to keep it there. Or am I missing something else that I can't see? Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members Constabulary Posted December 29, 2025 Members Report Posted December 29, 2025 But the roller tip will not be flush when you have the FBA attached AND put washers under attachment screws or am I missing something 😉 Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
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