Randall/USM Cyclone stitching machine

[Bob]

Greg, these old landis machines do pull a tight stitch. even though they are NOT the bullet type shuttles. They're almost exactly the same setup as the landis 12 thats been in service sewing soles/souls for decades now.

Only one turn on the tension bar and it breaks 346 thread. I don't know if we can go much tighter than that. I know these newer single needle machines made in China CANNOT AND NEVER WILL HOLD A CANDLE to the needle / awl machines.

It's just that alot of folks today won't take the time to learn how to setup-maintain these machines.

The pro 2000 Ferdco I got years ago in early 90's has been a good machine, always sews when I go to work with it. Just can't sew as pretty as the landis 16's standing next to it. Exactually, it looks pityful by comparison.

Robert............ No Greg, I cannot spell it backwards...

[D.A. Kabatoff]

I was talking to Connie at Campbell-Bosworth this morning about some parts to get my Randall going and he mentioned a machine so rare that he hasn't even seen one. Anyone ever heard of or better yet seen a Bosworth machine? He said it would look similar to a Cyclone (not exactly the same) and has a needle and awl as well as a closed eye needle. Not sure how all that would work together but would sure be interesting to see one.

Darc

[Art]

Hi Darc,

I saw a nasty old picture taken off a newspaper ad. The detail was terrible, but there it was, so we know it existed. In the search for Campbell heads to refurb, you would think Connie would have dredged one up, but the scarcity may have something to do with their success?

Art

I was talking to Connie at Campbell-Bosworth this morning about some parts to get my Randall going and he mentioned a machine so rare that he hasn't even seen one. Anyone ever heard of or better yet seen a Bosworth machine? He said it would look similar to a Cyclone (not exactly the same) and has a needle and awl as well as a closed eye needle. Not sure how all that would work together but would sure be interesting to see one.

Darc

[kseidel]

Yes Bob but the secret is that the bullet shuttle type will pull a tighter stitch when set up properly. That is part of why these newer machines cannot hold a candle to them. Greg

Greg,

My Union Lock will pull a much tighter stitch than the Randall or Landis 3. It has a tendency to cut through the leather.

Keith

[D.A. Kabatoff]

Hi Darc,

I saw a nasty old picture taken off a newspaper ad. The detail was terrible, but there it was, so we know it existed. In the search for Campbell heads to refurb, you would think Connie would have dredged one up, but the scarcity may have something to do with their success?

Art

May end up being like Sasquatch... few blurry photos and some good stories...

Darc

[5shot]

5Shot,

Don't know about semantics, when we speak of a Randall or Randall Lockstitch we are referring to a clone of a Campbell, a Union Lockstitch or a "Union" always refers to a different machine, indeed with needle feed. Then there are the Champions and the American Straight Needle "ASN" which are totally different animals. I've owned everything above except the Union and a Cyclone, I kept the Campbell and I'd take a Cyclone in a heartbeat, don't want a Union. What do you have?

Art

Been a while since I have posted, but figured I would answer the question. I have 2 Union Lockstitch machines. Shows you what I know - didn't know that Randall ever made a clone of the Campbell. I have mine going pretty slow, and I rarely adjust anything but the tension on the top thread. I stitch holsters, belts and the like. Full speed is wayyyyy too fast for this guy. I could probably get by just fine with a Campbell, but they looked overly complicated and my mentor steered me towards the Union Lockstitch. Being able to get tuning/maintenance advice with a quick phone call was worth it. I can get one in tune in just a few minutes now - and once it is there, it stays that way unless I mess up and try to fix what aint broke.

I have heard from Dan Neagle at Campbell/Randall that the Campbell is much easier to use and only looks more complicated - but since I have never sat behind one, I can't give my impression of it.

[oldcowpoke]

Hey guys and gals,

I have just recently registered and figured I might throw out a question or two. First, I would like to compliment the individuals that run and maintain this site. The format is very profesional, informative, and easy to navigate. It is also neat to have thousands of years of knowledge gathered in one spot willing to give advise and shop secrets to individual looking to better themselves and their work. Most everyone seem courteious and sincere unlike many other forums I have visited. My question is about the Cyclone stitcher. I'm wondering if there are a few of you out there that might know something about this machine? I recently talked to Connie Nagle, A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE, and he described the machine as the Rolls Royce of stitchers. He also added that it was excellently engineered and that it sounded like no other when it sewed. There seems to be a little mystery surounding this machine being that there were only 400 or so produced and not a lot of info on it. I would also like to see a picture of one if any of you have one. I would also like some feedback on the Campbell/Randall machines versus the Landis 3. I've heard that Don King said that the Randall produced finest stitch out of all of the needle and awl machines.

Thanks for you time,

Kevin Johnson

I have 3 Cyclone stitchers I would like to sell for a good price $3600 will buy all 3 of them

JJ

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[Bob]

Jack, would you consider posting some photo's of those machines? At least we could see what they look like. Most people never even seen one.

[Art]

Hi Bob,

Here is a Cyclone, don't know if JJ's are quite this good.

Cyclone.bmp

Art

Jack, would you consider posting some photo's of those machines? At least we could see what they look like. Most people never even seen one.

Cyclone.bmp

[Bob]

I have 3 Cyclone stitchers I would like to sell for a good price $3600 will buy all 3 of them

JJ

423 571 1364

JJ, would you mind posting pictures of the 3 cyclone stitchers you posted for sale. I'd be interested in looking at that. Or you could send some pictures directly. Thank you.