Retracting A Recommendation

[Yona]

The one on the brass riser is a basic celtic knot

Hers...............is just this one with a circle in it.................And I just "designed" this , kinda like the one on her site... ; )

Edited February 12, 2010 by Yona

[Wildebeest]

Interesting thread. I had to check the site out, and I found this ...

http://www.aon-celti...ocopyright.html (Note that this information was on the "About Cari" page, NOT the freeware or home pages.)

All the images on the Aon Celtic website are copyright Cari Buziak, 1994-current. This includes all the images in the Gallery, Freeware section, Tutorial text and graphics, the website background, e-mail button and all other images posted here unless noted otherwise.

Usage without permission constitutes copyright infringement, and is punishable by law.

Many people think that because Celtic art is an old art form, that Celtic images might be copyright free. This is NOT true! Each image created by an artist is under copyright protection from the moment they create it, even if they had inspiration from a traditional source, such as the Book of Kells. New material and 'ancient inspired' material is all under copyright protection, whether it's been registered with the copyright office or not, and using it without the artists' permission is copyright infringement.

If you're not sure whether the usage you have in mind is okay or not, just ask! :-) It never hurts to just ask! We can always work something out where you could license the image or pay a royalty to use it. People who take the time to ask and work something out ensure the survival of the Aon Celtic website, so I can continue to share artwork and free clip art material with you. Thanks everyone!! :-)

Here's my take on it (disclaimer..... I am not a lawyer):

1. Her posting the artwork as freeware implies permission to use it (she does not specify either how it may be used, or prohibited uses).

2. She claims that an artist who creates an image, even if "ancient inspired" has copyright protection. By her logic, then, you would also have protection for your works you created, being "new ancient inspired".

Not being an artist, nor having any intellectual property (except what little resides between my ears), I've never had to deal with this issue. In the end, though, it's her site and her rules.

[Tina]

"She claims that an artist who creates an image, even if "ancient inspired" has copyright protection. By her logic, then, you would also have protection for your works you created, being "new ancient inspired".

This is true in some countries (mine included) Here I don't have to apply for my art, I have the soul copyright from the minute it's created by law. I know there is more countries like this, maybe Canada too where the above website owner lives?

I remeber reading something about copyright and ancient symbols some time ago...Someone lost a copyright battle due to that old symbols is too old to get a new copyright on and/or belongs to everyone??? I will have to try and find this one again to be real sure but it was something to that effect.

Edited February 18, 2010 by Tina

[CitizenKate]

Very interesting discussion. It boils down to, what is considered a copy or reproduction, versus what is considered inspired. Seems like there is too much room for a double standard. In other words, if I copy something, I can say it was inspired, but if you are inspired by something I drew, I can claim you have copied it. I suppose some discussion about the actual process of using one piece of art to create another might shed some light.

I thought what Troy mentioned was interesting. I had a recent exchange with a site that contains a very large collection of tattoo art. Their terms of service said the art on this site could be used either by individuals looking to get a tattoo, or by tattoo artists as reference material to create tattoos, and they encouraged paid subscribers (of which I was one) to grab all the art they wanted. At first, I assumed that if it was okay for tattoo artists to charge their customer a fee to reproduce the art in a tattoo, it must be okay for a leather artist to reproduce the art on a piece of leather and sell it.

After using some of the art on a couple of pieces I made, I decided I wasn't so sure I really had permission to use the art in the manner I was, so I emailed the site owner, told them what I wanted to do and asked them if it fell under the terms of acceptable use. They responded, no, you do not have our permission to use our art for leather work. I was surprised and disappointed, but since they own the copyright, I also assume they get to say what we can or cannot do with the art. So I have complied with their wishes, but reading this topic makes me wonder.

Of course, I won't do anything with the art for commercial purposes unless I am 100% sure it's legal to do so. We really can't rely on just what makes sense to us, because sometimes the laws just don't make sense. But it sure would be nice if we could get some clarity on these rules, so we don't have to keep guessing, even with art that we draw ourselves based on something else that inspired us.

Kate

[terrahyd]

ARTISTIC RENDITIONS;;

(Webster) To represent in art;; Is your work art or craft;;

[wildrose]

I really appreciate the discussion.

My husband bought me the new Celtic Knot Font package for Valentine's and I know that is useable and I'm a happy camper!

[AaronR]

The underlying concept of "Intellectual" + "Property" to me seems steeped in exploitative double-think seeing as how we're wired to adopt incorporeal impressions of culture, societal norms and tools (i.e. language) from the day we're born. A better term for the issue should be "Cognitive Custodianship & Recognition" as we are all inheritors of a global legacy that's been developing long before us and will continue after we've passed on.

As far as reproducing the Artist's original work - the exact artwork, downloadable files, text etc. offered on the website - I can see validation for respecting the artist's wishes regarding creative commons & licensed reproduction.

As far as reproducing the essence of an artist's work when that work stems entirely from the pre-existing commonwealth of human inheritance I see no grounds for justifying any claim to authorial copyright regarding the "intellectual" aspect of the work.

George Bain's book provides sufficient information for recreating and learning how to construct Celtic-style knotwork. Very user-friendly and legally legitimate.

[towerclimber]

Hi folks!

I'm new and quite rough around the edges when it comes to leather crafting.

I appreciate being able to come to this site and learn heaps about what I need to do and not to do. I want to thank all the folks who've put this information up. You're a Godsend for folks like me.

While I'm not a very good artist, If I will say that if I ever get good enough for someone to want to copy my work? have at it!!

If it's something original that you want use and I created? you don't even have to ask. If I ever get that good, I'd take it as a compliment...but that's just me. I don't put on artsy airs and I'm not looking to get rich.

73,

Elliott

[Jordan]

Just revisiting this and something just popped in my head that gave me a chuckle, as Joni Mitchell said on miles of isles "Nobody said to Rembrandt Paint a starry night again man!"

[Menolly]

Holly you might want to check out this software http://www.hypatiaso...KnotsBag_A.html I think I've mentioned it here before buts it's recently been updated to version 2 and is alot easier to use. I payed the $20 so I could export to Illustator it can be a bit buggy but for for $20 I think it's worth it the developer is very helpful if you have any questions. I am in no way associated with them I just found it easier to use than the various fonts that are around for developing celtic themed artwork.

Cheers,

Clair

Thanks, Clair! That is really cool! I think I'm gonna buy it.

Ellen