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Hi people. I haven't posted any pictures for a long time, so here is a sample of what I've been doing. Also, thanks to everyone who's been so generous with their time and help on this forum.

The scale stamping is my first time, so the alignment of the scales if not consistent.

Doug

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Hi people. I haven't posted any pictures for a long time, so here is a sample of what I've been doing. Also, thanks to everyone who's been so generous with their time and help on this forum.

The scale stamping is my first time, so the alignment of the scales if not consistent.

Doug

Your Helments are looking Great. What type of Rivets did you finally decide on.

Luke

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They look good!

And nice picture size... it actually fit on my computer screen

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Hi Luke. I'm using 15mm rapid rivets, ordered from Birdsall Leather in AU. Very spendy to buy and ship, but the only source I've found on this wide planet. The largest is normally 12mm, but the 15mm allow me to use thicker leather for a sturdier product. The helmets have a nice heft with 12-13 oz leather.

Tubular rivets are stronger, but if they're not just the right length, they don't compress enough, and they stand out above the leather. Copper rivets are for next year, when I have more time to experiment.

Doug

Your Helments are looking Great. What type of Rivets did you finally decide on.

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Those look really nice, good shape and workmanship. There were possibly a lot more leather helmets used than metal ones in the old days, but the leather ones don't last. Have you ever done a warhat-chapel de fer like this one

http://www.albion-swords.com/armor/mercenary/pikemans.htm

I think it would come out pretty cool and since it is the helmet of an ordinary foot soldier there were probably a lot of them that were made from leather in the old days.

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Those look really nice, good shape and workmanship. There were possibly a lot more leather helmets used than metal ones in the old days, but the leather ones don't last. Have you ever done a warhat-chapel de fer like this one

http://www.albion-sw...ry/pikemans.htm

I think it would come out pretty cool and since it is the helmet of an ordinary foot soldier there were probably a lot of them that were made from leather in the old days.

Hey man, I hate to be "that guy", but you're hitting a topic near and dear to my heart.

Can you provide some scholarly, historical evidence for your claim that there was a lot more leather armor than metal? Because the historical record shows a vanishingly small amount of leather armor. If it was a prevalent as some people like to claim, why isn't there ever any of it found at archaeological dig sites? They find plenty of belts, shoes, pouches, harness, and other things made of leather, but next to nothing in the way of armor.

Not taking away anything from Daggrim's work (it's great) but the historical facts indicate that the vast overwhelming majority of armor was made of metal. Clothing was made of leather.

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Such great pieces! Thanks for sharing.

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I prefer that girl (Marlo was pretty cute in her younger days) to that guy but O.K. Check out John Waterer 's "Leather and the warrior" for a more scholarly treatment. The reasoning behind my statement

1. Leather is known to have been used in historical armor, and provides reasonably effective protection against many hand to hand weapons (not as good as steel, but oh well0

2. Metal armor was quite expensive, required high levels of technology and skill (for the period)to produce and was so probably unavailable to the common soldier. Leather was widely available and cheap and could be made into armor with tools and processes available to pretty much anyone.

3. Leather is preserved for long periods of time only under extremely specialized conditions and actually is a fairly unusual find in archeological digs

4. There were a helluva a lot more shoes and belts made than armor so if you are going to find any leather at all it is far more likely to find them than pieces of armor.

5. Compared to the amount of armor that probably existed, only a very small percentage was preserved. Most of it that exists to this day belonged to the gentry, or had some artistic or historical significance. It is highly unlikely that anyone would have kept a beat-up old leather helmet that belonged to some food soldier.

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No, I've never made a kettle helm, but you're right about thier ubiquity in medieval times. It's a good suggestion, and I'll put it in my mental files, and I may get around to developing one this winter.

Dag

Those look really nice, good shape and workmanship. There were possibly a lot more leather helmets used than metal ones in the old days, but the leather ones don't last. Have you ever done a warhat-chapel de fer like this one

http://www.albion-sw...ry/pikemans.htm

I think it would come out pretty cool and since it is the helmet of an ordinary foot soldier there were probably a lot of them that were made from leather in the old days.

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I prefer that girl (Marlo was pretty cute in her younger days) to that guy but O.K. Check out John Waterer 's "Leather and the warrior" for a more scholarly treatment. The reasoning behind my statement

1. Leather is known to have been used in historical armor, and provides reasonably effective protection against many hand to hand weapons (not as good as steel, but oh well0

2. Metal armor was quite expensive, required high levels of technology and skill (for the period)to produce and was so probably unavailable to the common soldier. Leather was widely available and cheap and could be made into armor with tools and processes available to pretty much anyone.

3. Leather is preserved for long periods of time only under extremely specialized conditions and actually is a fairly unusual find in archeological digs

4. There were a helluva a lot more shoes and belts made than armor so if you are going to find any leather at all it is far more likely to find them than pieces of armor.

5. Compared to the amount of armor that probably existed, only a very small percentage was preserved. Most of it that exists to this day belonged to the gentry, or had some artistic or historical significance. It is highly unlikely that anyone would have kept a beat-up old leather helmet that belonged to some food soldier.

I do not agree, but I'm happy that there was thought and reasoning behind your first statement. Thanks for replying.

I'll stop derailing Daggrim's fine work now. :)

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