Lining Questions I Need A How To?

[cal429258]

Hi all

I have been working on making a few different projects but have run into a little bit of a snag

I don’t know how to do lining?

I have read a lot of other people’s questions on here about lining but I have not found an answer yet.

Here is a piece of real art from

As you can see Kevin King has done an outstanding job with the lining roll over on this cuff.

But I see no stitching.

http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=24045 pics of Kevins Fleur de cuff

So my first question is after gluing lining to work peace do you run a line of stitches along all edges?

Q.2 – How close to the edge does the stitching need to be?

Q.3- do you treat (oil) lining or anything to make softer or more pliable?

Q. 4- How did Kevin K. do this great roll over without any stitching showing?? This question was asked but no reply yet

[albane]

Cal,

Kevin Is using the lining to hide and protect his work.

The lining he selected not only is doing the basic lining job but it's adding a bit of class to the project. kevins selection of color looks great.

Your question about the edging is a simple one to answer.

the edging is a simple edge piping.

While a magician never reviles his secretes. I doesn't seem fair to disclose Kevin's here.

You asked:

So my first question is after gluing lining to work peace do you run a line of stitches along all edges?

Q.2 – How close to the edge does the stitching need to be?

Q.3- do you treat (oil) lining or anything to make softer or more pliable?

Q. 4- How did Kevin K. do this great roll over without any stitching showing??

Kevin must have asked himself the same questions.

It is obvious that he found the answer.

I bet this is not his first piece.

I think it's time for you to follow in kevins foot steps. do some R&D figure it out and let us know how it's going. after you get some pics posted we can help by critiquing your work (that's how people do it around here}

[Hilly]

Cal,

Kevin Is using the lining to hide and protect his work.

The lining he selected not only is doing the basic lining job but it's adding a bit of class to the project. kevins selection of color looks great.

Your question about the edging is a simple one to answer.

the edging is a simple edge piping.

While a magician never reviles his secretes. I doesn't seem fair to disclose Kevin's here.

You asked:

So my first question is after gluing lining to work peace do you run a line of stitches along all edges?

Q.2 – How close to the edge does the stitching need to be?

Q.3- do you treat (oil) lining or anything to make softer or more pliable?

Q. 4- How did Kevin K. do this great roll over without any stitching showing??

Kevin must have asked himself the same questions.

It is obvious that he found the answer.

I bet this is not his first piece.

I think it's time for you to follow in kevins foot steps. do some R&D figure it out and let us know how it's going. after you get some pics posted we can help by critiquing your work (that's how people do it around here}

How close to the edge is a matter of personal choice. The edging and cuff are sewn right sides together, then the lining is folded around to the back side and glued down near the edge. Then turn the work over to the front side, and stitch it right next to the edging, through all thicknesses. Turn over and trim away the extra edging very close to the stitching on the backside with a sharp knife or an edger. If you look closely at the cuff photo, you can see the stitching right next to the edging on the front side...

You don't need to oil anything if it's thin enough. I'm guessing Kevin used something like lambskin lining, which is somewhere between 1 and 2 oz in weight. You could do the same thing with pigskin lining.

Kevin is very talented when it comes to sewing fine detail!

[flyingcuda]

i thought "how people around here do it" was to help when we have questions, of course there is a lot of trial and error, that's how we learn....but we also learn from those more experienced than us. that is how we keep the art going, is it not? is it not also one of the many reasons for this wonderful forum? if i am wrong then please accept my apology.

[cal429258]

Thank you

To all that ANSWERED questions and helped me understand better (Hilly, Flyingcuda)

I will be giving it a try and seeing how it comes out. I wish more people would be as helpful as you.

Flyingcuda I feel the same as you do. I really wish people would stop treating this whole thing as some big secret! Yes I understand this is an Art and every one will have different answers to the same question. But if I never get any answerers or examples I will never find my way of doing it.

And to AL isn’t some one trying to copy your art the biggest complement?

And if you are worried about competition in a sales aspect (witch its not for me) You need to read some sales/ retail marketing books and understand how competition causes growth.

Ok sorry got off track there.

I have a cuff I did posted up here

http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=25893

The cuff is getting a lining on because it scratches the wrist.

So there will be pics up soon of the modified version soon.

Another Question

1-What glue is preferred for the lining? Do I just use my contact cement?

2-I have pig and lamb leather. Should I put a wax on them so they don’t bleed when wet with sweat?

[Kevin King]

Ok.

First of all, I am flattered that my work is the topic here.

Second of all. There is no secret to this binding. It is callet a french roll and is very simple. I use it a ton. While I figured out how to do it before I knew what it was called, I have no problem sharing how I do it.

As a matter of fact, here is a link to a tutorial I posted quite a while ago.

http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=9940

As far as learning how to do things, I am about 94.33% self taught. That means that I have spent a lot of time staring at things I like, scatching my head, making templates, sewing sample (practice) pieces and alway trying to figure out "how the hell can I pull this off?"

The cue case I recently posted has a lot of trial pieces made before it. I have a panel that I stitched out several color/styles of little corner pieces of things. Primarilly the pocket on the case. I eventually came up with a way to do it that worked best for me. Without having to ask anyone.

One thing I have learned in my short 8ish years of working with leather is that there is no right or wrong way to do something as long as you get what you were going for in the end.

I will say this though. I have been asked many times about how I transfer my designs to leather. This I have struggled with as it is in my nature to want to help people. However, when I consulted another leatherworker that I consider to be the best at making products similar to what I make. His reply was "keep the mystique brother".

I always wondered how the hell he did what he did. Still to this day I don't know how he does it. I will never ask him. I figured out a way that works for me and thats all that matters.

My only words of advice are to keep trying and staring at things to figure out your own way of doing it.

KK

[Kevin King]

Also...

If you look at my profile thing at the left of the page, I have "fakin it" as my leatherwork specialty.

In addition to people asking how I do certain things, I have even had people offer to pay me money to spend a time in my shop to learn how I do things.

I turn these people down primarily because i'd probably be teaching people bad habits. I don't really know if its the "right" way to do something. It just works for me and thats all that matters. The end product is good.

I'll probably add more as it comes to me while i'm in the shop.

KK

[cal429258]

Thanks Kevin for the info and insightAnd I really mean it Thank You for your help .

This may not sit well with to many people on here but it is my thoughts and lucky for everyone they don't have to agree but please people do think of what I am saying for a few seconds.

By people asking you how you do something is a complement and a show of respect.

Why is it respectful well would you rather have someone try and copy you/reverse engineer your style or item without your knowledge or would you like to know?

Don't let yourself be limited in what you do because you want to keep secrets because if everyone keeps secrets we are all doomed. You people worship Al Stohlman, did he keep Secrets. Without his books more than half of us would be lost!

Here is a little bit of business talk real quick for those worried about profits.

If someone makes a bracelet just like mine and sales 1000 of them I will be more likely to sell more bracelets to because of the other person's successes. Because with 1000 people wearing bracelets like mine is going to start more people looking for bracelets like them and many people will find mine and buy mine as they look for the other persons. In the end I am more successful.

ITS ART POPLE not industry. we are here to help each other like we are artists NOT try to undercut like we are corporations.

For anyone out there If I do anything (which I doubt) that you would like to know how I did it let me know because I am an open book.

I would be glad to tell you how I did it but trust me knowing is only half way there the rest is a lot of practice and mistakes.

Edited August 31, 2010 by cal429258

[wareagle]

From some one that has dribbled in several tradesman's skill sets, I have learned not all methods work for all people, and it is best to research the subject and study how others do it then try doing it on your own and perfecting your own method for doing that skill.

[funnygirl62221]

I just wanted to point out that this is the second post I have seen from "Al" that is rude and obnoxious. I also wanted to point out that in the 6 months I have been creeping on this site, it is the first time I have seen a response like that. I also noticed that you are new here Al and FYI the people here are nice and helpful and they don't make others feel bad about asking questions. So please don't feel the need to respond to questions, because there are plenty of masters here who are true teachers.

Ellen