Members BigRiverLeather Posted December 4, 2010 Author Members Report Posted December 4, 2010 OK, here are some pictures. I think the needle is punching the holes in a straight line, it just seems to be the way the thread is laying. I am using a 200 794 D needle that Artisan sent with the machine when I bought it. I'm ready to buy more needles so maybe I will get some of the S needles this time, or as well as the D needles. The D's used to stitch a straight line. To the pictures - I feel weird about calling Steve for free advice since I did not buy the machine from him. I received good service from Dave at Artisan, though their availability is limited to normal business hours which I am not normally around my machine or available. Quote Big River Leather
Contributing Member Ferg Posted December 4, 2010 Contributing Member Report Posted December 4, 2010 OK, here are some pictures. I think the needle is punching the holes in a straight line, it just seems to be the way the thread is laying. I am using a 200 794 D needle that Artisan sent with the machine when I bought it. I'm ready to buy more needles so maybe I will get some of the S needles this time, or as well as the D needles. The D's used to stitch a straight line. To the pictures - I feel weird about calling Steve for free advice since I did not buy the machine from him. I received good service from Dave at Artisan, though their availability is limited to normal business hours which I am not normally around my machine or available. There are folks on this forum more informed than I but I think you have the style of needle in your machine that sews exactly as you describe and from your photos I would say all you need to do is change the style of the needle. I would call this a western style stitching. Did I miss something? ferg Quote
dirtclod Posted December 4, 2010 Report Posted December 4, 2010 If i use 346 thread i use a 230 needle. Quote I'm old enough to know that i don't know everything.
Russ Posted December 4, 2010 Report Posted December 4, 2010 Steve has been very kind and helped me although he isn't with Artisan. Dave has also called me during his off-work hours to help me when we couldn't hook up. If he knows you need his help and are only available later on, I'm sure he'll give you a call. Quote
Trox Posted December 4, 2010 Report Posted December 4, 2010 The stitches seems loose! Are you sure you got enough bobbin tension? The spring you talk about is it the bobbin push-out spring? It is conical and goes under the bobbin. Try to turn it the other way and see if it that helps. And check your treading to. Trox OK, here are some pictures. I think the needle is punching the holes in a straight line, it just seems to be the way the thread is laying. I am using a 200 794 D needle that Artisan sent with the machine when I bought it. I'm ready to buy more needles so maybe I will get some of the S needles this time, or as well as the D needles. The D's used to stitch a straight line. To the pictures - I feel weird about calling Steve for free advice since I did not buy the machine from him. I received good service from Dave at Artisan, though their availability is limited to normal business hours which I am not normally around my machine or available. Quote Tor Workshop machines: TSC 441 clone/Efka DC1550, Dürkopp-Adler 267-373/Efka DC1600, Pfaff 345-H3/Cobra 600W, Singer 29K-72, Sandt 8 Ton clicking machine, Alpha SM skiving unit, Fortuna 620 band knife splitting machine. Old Irons: Adler 5-27, Adler 30-15, Singer 236W-100
Contributing Member TwinOaks Posted December 4, 2010 Contributing Member Report Posted December 4, 2010 Okay, need to correct my own statement...needle's stitching straight. It is that style of needle (D=diamond) that causes the stitches to lay in that pattern. I prefer it as it closely resembles handstitching. Changing the needle type should cure your ills. Quote Mike DeLoach Esse Quam Videri (Be rather than Seem) "Don't learn the tricks of the trade.....Learn the trade." "Teach what you know......Learn what you don't." LEATHER ARTISAN'S DIGITAL GUILD on Facebook.
Members busted Posted December 5, 2010 Members Report Posted December 5, 2010 (edited) OK, here are some pictures. I think the needle is punching the holes in a straight line, it just seems to be the way the thread is laying. I am using a 200 794 D needle that Artisan sent with the machine when I bought it. I'm ready to buy more needles so maybe I will get some of the S needles this time, or as well as the D needles. The D's used to stitch a straight line. To the pictures - I feel weird about calling Steve for free advice since I did not buy the machine from him. I received good service from Dave at Artisan, though their availability is limited to normal business hours which I am not normally around my machine or available. This chart might be of help. http://www.industria...doc3/thread.htm The next needles you buy should be 794 r, d, or s size 230 or 250 for the 346 thread. TwinOak is right when you install a new needle you are placing the needle at a right angle to the hook so after the needle penetrates the leather and forms the stitch the thread falls where it may thus leaving the appearance of a zigzag stitch. Reposition the needle ever so slightly moving closer to the hook so the stitch forms earlier. That should move the thread to one side of the needle hole and do away the zigzag. This looks good on paper but I don't know if it will it fly??? Edited December 5, 2010 by busted Quote
Cobra Steve Posted December 9, 2010 Report Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) Hello BRL, please give me a call at 1-866-962-9880, I will give you some tips that might work. They are too long to post, but if anyone wants to know, then you can call me as well. You can call me on my cell after hours at 1-909-800-1429. Thanks, Steve Edited December 9, 2010 by Cobra Steve Quote Thank You Steve Tayrien Leather Machine Co., Inc. 2141 E. Philadelphia St. Unit "U" Ontario, California 91761 1-866-962-9880 http://www.leathermachineco.com cobra@leathermachineco.com
Members BigRiverLeather Posted December 10, 2010 Author Members Report Posted December 10, 2010 Hello BRL, please give me a call at 1-866-962-9880, I will give you some tips that might work. They are too long to post, but if anyone wants to know, then you can call me as well. You can call me on my cell after hours at 1-909-800-1429. Thanks, Steve Thanks Steve, I really appreciate the offer. I'm going to put your number in my phone though and I'll be sure to check with you when I need some help, or supplies for that matter.Turns out my problem was the type of needle I was using as many have said here. I had some 180 S needles I used with some 207 thread and I got the straight stitch lines I was looking for. My guess is that when I recall my machine stitcing the straight lines in the beginning, my machine must have been shipped with a S needle. then I replaced it with the Ds I was provided with when it was time. Time to order some different needles. Quote Big River Leather
CowboyBob Posted December 10, 2010 Report Posted December 10, 2010 Yes,the D point will make quite a different looking stitch than the S.We don't sell the D's anymore at all. The S points sure will make a nice looking stitch. Quote Bob Kovar Toledo Industrial Sewing Machine Sales Ltd. 3631 Marine Rd Toledo,Ohio 43609 1-866-362-7397
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