Durable Dot Vs Baby Dot Snaps?

[Art]

Glove snaps are the ones with the little paper clip like wires in the receiver part that holds onto the stud, they are even smaller than segma snaps (Ligne 16).

Art

Thanks. Looks like I'll probably go with the 20 then since I have 5/6 ounce leather. I'm guessing those glove snaps aren't any good compared to the line 20?

[jasonsmith]

Glove snaps are the ones with the little paper clip like wires in the receiver part that holds onto the stud, they are even smaller than segma snaps (Ligne 16).

Art

I'm gonna go with the Line 20 since it looks like that is the best. I found that you have to get a $20 setter/anvil kit for the glove snaps. Where as you can get a setter and anvil cheap for the Line 20 snaps.

[Luke Hatley]

I'm gonna go with the Line 20 since it looks like that is the best. I found that you have to get a $20 setter/anvil kit for the glove snaps. Where as you can get a setter and anvil cheap for the Line 20 snaps.

I wouuld go with the line 24, they are easy to set and will be much stronger, compared to the line 20.......I M H O.........

[jasonsmith]

I wouuld go with the line 24, they are easy to set and will be much stronger, compared to the line 20.......I M H O.........

I can't. I'm using 5/6 ounce weight leather which is ideal for line 20 snaps. Line 24 snaps are for 8/9 ounce leather.

This is just an armband anyways, and with it being 2" wide. I'll be using 2 snaps.

This is a pic I found searching around and this is how I plan to arrange my snaps. Though, I'll only have 2 as it will not be adjustable:

[jasonsmith]

What size punch is used on the Line 20 snaps? None of the sellers of Line 20 spots mention what punch to get.

[pgallin]

FYI,

"Durable Dot" and "Baby Dot" are trademarked names for snaps, originally made by Dot, and now owned by Scovill. They are functionally the same; the difference between them is the size of the snaps. The sizes are commonly referred to as ligne 24 and ligne 20. Ligne was originally a French term for the measurement of a unit of length. In the 9th century, German button makers used the term to measure the diameter of their buttons, and that is how it is commonly used today for snaps. There are 40 lignes per inch, so a ligne 24 snap has a button that is 24/40" in diameter and a ligne 20 snap has a button that is 1/2" in diameter (20/40).

[Art]

The reason for all this trivial ephemera, and the use of the word ligne instead of line for these old measurements is that ligne = 1/40 inch and Line = 1/4 barleycorn or about 1/12 inch (3 barleycorns per inch), a good reason for the metric system, but I have left instructions that they are to put a English caliper, a yardstick, and a set of Whitworth tools in my coffin in case I run into an Austin Healey on the other side.

Art

FYI,

"Durable Dot" and "Baby Dot" are trademarked names for snaps, originally made by Dot, and now owned by Scovill. They are functionally the same; the difference between them is the size of the snaps. The sizes are commonly referred to as ligne 24 and ligne 20. Ligne was originally a French term for the measurement of a unit of length. In the 9th century, German button makers used the term to measure the diameter of their buttons, and that is how it is commonly used today for snaps. There are 40 lignes per inch, so a ligne 24 snap has a button that is 24/40" in diameter and a ligne 20 snap has a button that is 1/2" in diameter (20/40).

[jasonsmith]

I did some test pieces. And I think the Line 20 leaves too much of a gap between the leather. I was planning on using 5/6 ounce leather for armbands. But I think that is too thick. I think I'm going to try 1/2 ounce leather for the armbands with Line 16 snaps. It looks like the line 16 snaps are more flush compared to Line 20. Only thing is I'll have to figure out if the Line 16 will work on 1/2 ounce leather.

[Art]

Hi Jason,

Ligne 16 are Segma snaps and don't hold as well as Baby Dots. A little judicious grinding on the posts will make them set tighter.

Art

I did some test pieces. And I think the Line 20 leaves too much of a gap between the leather. I was planning on using 5/6 ounce leather for armbands. But I think that is too thick. I think I'm going to try 1/2 ounce leather for the armbands with Line 16 snaps. It looks like the line 16 snaps are more flush compared to Line 20. Only thing is I'll have to figure out if the Line 16 will work on 1/2 ounce leather.

[jasonsmith]

Hi Jason,

Ligne 16 are Segma snaps and don't hold as well as Baby Dots. A little judicious grinding on the posts will make them set tighter.

Art

Are you saying you can grind on the Line 16 posts to let the set tighter when using thin leather like 1/2 ounce?

The thing I didn't like on the Line 20 snaps is when snapped together. There is a gap between the two pieces of leather which I didn't like with regards to an armband. The line 16 look like they snap flush. And I think they are used for thinner leather compared to Line 20. Also, I found the Line 20 very hard to unsnap. Since I'm using these for armbands, I don't think them not holding as well as Line 20 would be a problem since they aren't holding any weight.