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[bluecarpenter]

I'm looking at this machine as i want something to sew soles on shoes and boots. I haven't seen it yet but I'm wondering if anybody knows what model it it.

he's send me several pics and a picture of the manual.

I just brought home 2 29-4's that I bought from him. they are good working machines.

any help is appreciated.

thanks mark

[amuckart]

That looks like an American Straight Needle stitcher, though I couldn't tell you if it's all there. They're good machines but a bit different to use than a curved-needle stitcher like a Landis model 12.

You can use one of these for sewing soles on boots and shoes. They're apparently great for side-seams on boots too.

Have you seen it running?

[machinehead]

This machine is an American Straight Needle machine. It is used to sew soles on shoes with the shoe right side up as opposed to a curved needle machine where you hold the shoe sole side up to stitch. This American is a needle and awl machine whereby the awl pierces the leather and the needle comes through after it.

Knife makers have used the machine to stitch sheaths. With a three inch throat it is limited to such projects; but it is a good machine to learn on in part because it is not really fast. The hand wheel rotates away from you. If the seller has any needles,awls, or parts grab them as well as the manual. Originally hot wax was used in a pot to wax the thread, but you can use liquid lube instead.

Hope this helps.

[bluecarpenter]

Can it be operated by hand?

As in build a treadle on it so i don't have to have electricity hooked up to it. And how heavy is this beast. It looks big.

He told me I can still get parts for it from pilgrim.

[bluecarpenter]

This machine is an American Straight Needle machine. It is used to sew soles on shoes with the shoe right side up as opposed to a curved needle machine where you hold the shoe sole side up to stitch. This American is a needle and awl machine whereby the awl pierces the leather and the needle comes through after it.

Knife makers have used the machine to stitch sheaths. With a three inch throat it is limited to such projects; but it is a good machine to learn on in part because it is not really fast. The hand wheel rotates away from you. If the seller has any needles,awls, or parts grab them as well as the manual. Originally hot wax was used in a pot to wax the thread, but you can use liquid lube instead.

Hope this helps.

Ok that helps. how thick of soles are we talking? thanks mark

Edited January 9, 2011 by bluecarpenter

[machinehead]

Some parts are still available. Make sure the bobbin case and bobbins are with the machine. Treadle is ill advised. The machine uses linen cord thread. There should be a motor and clutch assembly on the machine with two foot pedals.

You can stitch 5/8 " thick soles.

Edited January 9, 2011 by machinehead

[bluecarpenter]

Some parts are still available. Make sure the bobbin case and bobbins are with the machine. Treadle is ill advised. The machine uses linen cord thread. There should be a motor and clutch assembly on the machine with two foot pedals.

You can stitch 5/8 " thick soles.

So If I don't have power where I want to put it. I should look at a different machine??

As for the pedals. I guess one of them is broken if not both. I will have to check on the bobbins and the bobbin case

[machinehead]

So If I don't have power where I want to put it. I should look at a different machine??

As for the pedals. I guess one of them is broken if not both. I will have to check on the bobbins and the bobbin case

It is possible that the pedals were removed when the machine was moved to keep from damaging them. At over 500 pounds this is a beast. No power? No go on this one. Edited January 9, 2011 by machinehead

[CowboyBob]

I have a couple of customers that put a barney knob on them & crank it by hand,they spin real easy one Amish Harness maker lets his kids handcrank his & they do alot of small repairs in harness & headsalls.

You need to check the the pedal that is left is the one that lifts the pressure foot you'll need this one for sure.

[bluecarpenter]

I have a couple of customers that put a barney knob on them & crank it by hand,they spin real easy one Amish Harness maker lets his kids handcrank his & they do alot of small repairs in harness & headsalls.

You need to check the the pedal that is left is the one that lifts the pressure foot you'll need this one for sure.

Ok pardon my ignorance but what is a barney knob?

The guy told me he has turned it by hand. Not sure how easy it would be to turn with one hand and run your shoe with the other hand. I just like having machines that are people powered. That is why I want one to use without

power. I've considered the tippemann boss machine but this is quite a bit cheaper though it weights a heck of a lot more.

Any other machines out there that won't break the bank?

[amuckart]

Ok pardon my ignorance but what is a barney knob?

It's a knob that clamps to a steering wheel to allow you to turn it more easily. You see them on big trucks sometimes. They spin on the mounting so you can hold the knob and turn the wheel real fast.

The guy told me he has turned it by hand. Not sure how easy it would be to turn with one hand and run your shoe with the other hand. I just like having machines that are people powered. That is why I want one to use without power. I've considered the tippemann boss machine but this is quite a bit cheaper though it weights a heck of a lot more.

Much of the weight in these machines is in the motor and the pedestal mounting but even if you're not going to power it you'll want that to hold the machine at the right height etc. They're designed to sit on the pedestal and aren't trivially mountable on something else. People-powering one of these would be darn near impossible unless you rigged up some sort of treadmill and had a spare child or something to power it. You generally need both hands to steer the work through the machine. I'm not saying it'd be impossible to do single-handed but it'd take a hell of a lot of practice!

Any other machines out there that won't break the bank?

I wouldn't think a Boss would be much good for outsoling shoes. If you want a hand-cranked machine specifically for that job you're looking at a Junker & Ruh SD.28/Pedersen 308, or a Frobana Gritzner. Both are good machines, but both are near impossible to get needles and parts for. The Junker can be a little tempremental if worn, and refurbished ones run to US$600ish plus god-only knows for needles. Gritzners are things you luck into, they're not terribly common outside of Europe. You can still get needles for the Gritzner, if you're prepared to pay 8-9Euro/needle.

Alternatively you could buy a square awl and pricking irons and do it by hand.It doesn't take that long with practice :D

[bluecarpenter]

It's a knob that clamps to a steering wheel to allow you to turn it more easily. You see them on big trucks sometimes. They spin on the mounting so you can hold the knob and turn the wheel real fast.

Much of the weight in these machines is in the motor and the pedestal mounting but even if you're not going to power it you'll want that to hold the machine at the right height etc. They're designed to sit on the pedestal and aren't trivially mountable on something else. People-powering one of these would be darn near impossible unless you rigged up some sort of treadmill and had a spare child or something to power it. You generally need both hands to steer the work through the machine. I'm not saying it'd be impossible to do single-handed but it'd take a hell of a lot of practice!

I wouldn't think a Boss would be much good for outsoling shoes. If you want a hand-cranked machine specifically for that job you're looking at a Junker & Ruh SD.28/Pedersen 308, or a Frobana Gritzner. Both are good machines, but both are near impossible to get needles and parts for. The Junker can be a little tempremental if worn, and refurbished ones run to US$600ish plus god-only knows for needles. Gritzners are things you luck into, they're not terribly common outside of Europe. You can still get needles for the Gritzner, if you're prepared to pay 8-9Euro/needle.

Alternatively you could buy a square awl and pricking irons and do it by hand.It doesn't take that long with practice :D

$600ish, heck the guy is asking $550 for this machine. How thick of soles can the Junker do?

as far as doing it by hand I will probably end up doing that.

What size of square awl do I use and where do I get one. Also what are Pricking Irons?

On using a square awl do you push it thru by hand or drive it thru?

Were do I get the thread and what size do I use.

[amuckart]

$600ish, heck the guy is asking $550 for this machine. How thick of soles can the Junker do?

Junkers have rarity and an odd collectiability going for them. You can get 'em for less than that if you're willing to put a bit of work into getting them going again.

I don't know how thick a sole the Junker can do, I've never tried feeding something through that might stop it. It's designed specifically for soling shoes and boots though.

as far as doing it by hand I will probably end up doing that.

What size of square awl do I use and where do I get one. Also what are Pricking Irons?

On using a square awl do you push it thru by hand or drive it thru?

Were do I get the thread and what size do I use.

I'd get a square awl from Dick Anderson at Thornapple River Boots. He makes some of the nicest bootmaking awls out there.

You use a square awl by hand. Pricking irons are used to clean out the wax from between the stitches and make everything look neat.

What specifically are you wanting to make?

It sounds like you'd be well served to sign up to Crispin Colloquy at http://www.thehcc.org and chat to people there. It's a specialist boot/shoemaker's forum and the people there are plenty friendly.

[bluecarpenter]

Junkers have rarity and an odd collectiability going for them. You can get 'em for less than that if you're willing to put a bit of work into getting them going again.

I don't know how thick a sole the Junker can do, I've never tried feeding something through that might stop it. It's designed specifically for soling shoes and boots though.

I'd get a square awl from Dick Anderson at Thornapple River Boots. He makes some of the nicest bootmaking awls out there.

You use a square awl by hand. Pricking irons are used to clean out the wax from between the stitches and make everything look neat.

What specifically are you wanting to make?

It sounds like you'd be well served to sign up to Crispin Colloquy at http://www.thehcc.org and chat to people there. It's a specialist boot/shoemaker's forum and the people there are plenty friendly.

Dick is making me a square awl and also the inseam awl. He told me to call him back in a week if I don't hear from him.

as far as shoes. I'm wanting some low top work shoes. I'm tired of buy leather shoes and when then have problems I get, Oh I'm sorry we can't fix them. My last pair got holes near the toe. with My new to me singer 29-4 I was able to patch them and it didn't cost me anything but a little time. I get a lot of satisfaction out of fixing or making things for me and my family. especially when I do it with out involving power tools. the kind you plugin to the wall that is.