RWP Report post Posted January 19, 2011 hey guys im looking at getting one of the 10 dollar horse butts from springfield after i get a few legal fees taken care of and i think they're about 6-7 oz. i normall use 8-9 oz veg. tan for my projects but my question is do you think the 6-7 oz horsebutt would be alright to double up when making a holster by that i mean gluing the rough sides of the leather together after cutting the pattern the sewing, burnishing forming dying etc? thanks for taking the time to read guys! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marine mp Report post Posted January 19, 2011 RWP, In my opinion, the 6-7 doubled up would really be to much. Ending up with...say the least...12 oz. Man, thats-a-lotta-leather. The 6-7 may be fine by itself or with a liner of 2-3. JMPO Semper-fi MIke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmace Report post Posted January 19, 2011 I have used some of the horse butt leather, and it worked well for rifle slings with a chap liner etc..., and I would make an uneducated guess and say that you should be able to glue them together, but, if I invision your project is correctly, it may not be stiff enough to hold its shape. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ferg Report post Posted January 19, 2011 I have used some of the horse butt leather, and it worked well for rifle slings with a chap liner etc..., and I would make an uneducated guess and say that you should be able to glue them together, but, if I invision your project is correctly, it may not be stiff enough to hold its shape. I have used the horse butts also. They are stiff because of the tight grain they have. I doubt you would have any problem with backing up with a thinner liner. If you are stitching with a machine.... the horse hide is "tough" it makes the machine work! Also, if you are stitching by hand you want a very sharp awl. ferg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dirck Report post Posted January 19, 2011 If you haven't seen one of the horse butts yet in person...they are excellent tight grain leather,an excellent value. They are not even thickness from top to bottom, end to end. If you watch your layout, you'll get a large holster and a lot of little "stuff" from one. For ten bucks...I'll continue to buy them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shooter McGavin Report post Posted January 20, 2011 I bought one also when I ordered some other stuff from Springfield. Its a nice piece of hide, I really like the texture of it, both front and back. Even the color is nice. Now I just have to decide what to make with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RWP Report post Posted January 20, 2011 thanks for the input guys and ferg youre right i didnt think of the horsehide actually having a tighter grain therefore being stiffer im really looking at it for making a summer special style iwb holster for a 1911 im planning to purchase after taxe time and nope! all hand stitching =/ lol but thanks again guys i appreciate it. oh does anyone know how well those horsebutts tool and take dye? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ferg Report post Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) thanks for the input guys and ferg youre right i didnt think of the horsehide actually having a tighter grain therefore being stiffer im really looking at it for making a summer special style iwb holster for a 1911 im planning to purchase after taxe time and nope! all hand stitching =/ lol but thanks again guys i appreciate it. oh does anyone know how well those horsebutts tool and take dye? They will dye well but you have to work at it harder than when using that old cowhide. I bought some Burgundy colored Shell Cordovan last week. I'm hoping I will get it this week. Shoe manufacturers make $500 to $1000 pairs of shoes from this and will take them back after forty years of wear and redo them. ferg Edited January 20, 2011 by 50 years leather Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoelR Report post Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) I have and use horse from both Springfield and Siegels. In my opinion, the horse from Siegels is much better quality and much more consistent. The horse I have gotten from Springfield in the past was closer to 7 to 9 oz and the surface was worn - slighlty furry as if rubbed together during shipping with the hides above it - and the leather itself seemed dry. I've also gotten some with large sections of rawhide in the middle. Steve offered to make it right, so no ding on him or his company. The hides from Siegels I have are hard-rolled 5/6oz and plenty firm and thick for IWB holsters with a proper reinforcing band. I have not tried their 8/9oz but I would expect the same quality. The hides ordered from Springfield were nice and long and fit the bill of belt linings. The hides from Siegels were nice and wide and better fit the bill for holsters. Personally, I will continue to order horse from Siegels even though the price is much higher. When ordering from either company, make sure to call the order in and inform them of what your intended use is for the leather so they can hand select the most suitable piece for your needs. Edited January 20, 2011 by JoelR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RWP Report post Posted January 21, 2011 well its the old adage that you get what you pay for unfortunately but thanks for the input joel. the bad part is im relying on springfield on this just because of the price unfortunately funds arent what i'd like them to be ( hell in this day and age who's are?) i have looked at some of siegels horsehide but unfortunately its just out of my range for now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevenSiegel Report post Posted January 21, 2011 well its the old adage that you get what you pay for unfortunately but thanks for the input joel. the bad part is im relying on springfield on this just because of the price unfortunately funds arent what i'd like them to be ( hell in this day and age who's are?) i have looked at some of siegels horsehide but unfortunately its just out of my range for now We ALSO offer the 2nd grade which is much cheaper. Regards, Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazybum Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) I bought one of the horse hide from springfield. I find that the color is pretty uneven, but you can always use that kind of texturing to your advantage I suppose. Like someone said, it also came pretty dry. The grain side on mine wasn't really "furry" though.They are hard rolled and pretty stiff. Haven't used them yet though. Still thinking about how to make use of the color texture. Will probably be using them as a shell for my next wallet project or something. Edited January 21, 2011 by lazybum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
