Contributing Member Ferg Posted January 16, 2012 Contributing Member Report Posted January 16, 2012 I think the use of the information is being a little misunderstood. The Library has books to lend for reading. They are supported, for the most part by tax payer money of which there isn't much being distributed these days. They have to make up the shortfall in ways that may aggravate some folks but fees are one way to do it. As for the e-books that you can peruse on site without buying them........ Amazon for instance, makes money from selling a subscription to folks so they can read the book/books. If they are terribly upset because Sylvia, and others, have figured out how to beat the system, they will close that hole in the software. At that time who is the winner? Don't anyone give me the "Greed" bit. Every student has a vast amount of expenses when attending college. Books are certainly a large part of that. Soon, the printed page will be for those of us that still like to read a physical book at abysmal prices, I could go on but you get the idea. BTW: Sylvia, don't become so defensive about your method, that may show you are not quite comfortable with it either. Just my .02 ferg Hello Hellfirejack . . . Why not contribute 50 bucks to Lw .net instead of getting all your info free ? Right on Sylvia ! I could sure use a chica like you doing all my computer work ! You have given some useful info like making those thumbnails bigger . Thanks
Members HellfireJack Posted January 16, 2012 Members Report Posted January 16, 2012 GRRRRR.... How dare you? This is not stealing. It's using a service to MY advantage... jackass. How dare I what? Give my opinion? Lord have mercy what have I done?!? GASP ::SHOCK:: QUICK SOMEONE CALL HIM A NAME!!! LOL. Grow up a little and try to be civil. You're teaching people how to abuse a glitch in Amazon's book preview in order to not have to buy a book. This may not have been your intent but it is what it is. You're taking money away from the authors of those books by doing this. You can call it whatever you want, I call it stealing. All I said was that I'm not going to abuse the bug and I think I'm free to give my opinion. If you're fine with doing it by all means please continue. I'll just pay the 13 bucks and buy the book. Feel free to have your opinion as well. No name calling needed on my part . Have a good day. Hello Hellfirejack . . . Why not contribute 50 bucks to Lw .net instead of getting all your info free ? Right on Sylvia ! I could sure use a chica like you doing all my computer work ! You have given some useful info like making those thumbnails bigger . Thanks As far as I know Leather Guru there is no price prominently displayed on LW.net's message boards. Even if there were, I'm not circumventing their system in order to read these messages and I'm not doing anything wrong at all here. Why don't you give LW.net 50 bucks for me since you're so concerned about them getting some payment from everyone. In the mean time I'll continue supporting LW.net as I already have by clicking on their ads and banners and puchasing from those clients who advertise with them. I probably will eventually also give money directly to LW.net but it won't be because of you and your ineffective guilt trips attempts. Thanks for you input though.
Members HellfireJack Posted January 16, 2012 Members Report Posted January 16, 2012 Do you think getting a book from a library also can be considered as a stealing? If no, than what the principal difference between way suggested by Sylvia and using a library? If you keep said book and never return it then yes it's stealing. I don't think anyone would disagree. If, however, you abide by the policies of the lending library and return the book of course it's not stealing. Libraries pay money for their books and they encourage reading. They do it with taxpayers money. Just because your library card is free it doesn't mean the authors aren't getting paid for their work. Your example doesn't quite match the given situation. I'm not going to abuse the glitch in their system. That's all I've said. in my opinion it's unfair to the author and cheats them out of money. I've not told anyone they have to stop. You can abuse it all you want. This is a discussion board. People give their opinions here and discuss things.
Members Suicide Posted January 16, 2012 Members Report Posted January 16, 2012 If you keep said book and never return it then yes it's stealing. I don't think anyone would disagree. If, however, you abide by the policies of the lending library and return the book of course it's not stealing. Libraries pay money for their books and they encourage reading. They do it with taxpayers money. Just because your library card is free it doesn't mean the authors aren't getting paid for their work. Your example doesn't quite match the given situation. I'm not going to abuse the glitch in their system. That's all I've said. in my opinion it's unfair to the author and cheats them out of money. I've not told anyone they have to stop. You can abuse it all you want. This is a discussion board. People give their opinions here and discuss things. You completely right about everything and I agree with you on this. The only thing you seem don't paid much attention is that most of the people would like to see what they are buying before pay. As for me, I love lieathercraftlibrary.com and bought some from where, but at the same time I hate what there is completely no any preview. Maybe I would buy more stuff there could be preview available. "Zoom cover... pages:57." plus short general description. Press "What I am buying?" - you see what you are buying PDF for your own use. Great. But why I can't have a look inside? I wanted to buy lacing book there, but could see the only page stated something about 15 different braidings.... What are braidings? Can they put at least names or TOC there? No. Well I downloaded this book from internet. I suspect it was the same copy gotten from LCL.com. I looked into it, found there exactly what I need and.... WENT to LCL.com and paid 7 bucks for it. But if I couldn't find it for dounload I doubt I will pay 7 bucks for just "something". If book is great, person who read "preview" and found it worth it's money - I believe he will pay for it. If the book is a shit and I don't want to have it on my shelf or in my Kindle, then I could use the whole book preview as it would be book from a library - quickly read it, closed browser and forgot about this. Thats just my thoughts.... My leatherwork gallery
Members Suicide Posted January 16, 2012 Members Report Posted January 16, 2012 I think the use of the information is being a little misunderstood. The Library has books to lend for reading. They are supported, for the most part by tax payer money of which there isn't much being distributed these days. They have to make up the shortfall in ways that may aggravate some folks but fees are one way to do it. Thats also quite interesting case. Ok, I took book from a lib, read it and return. But was so iinspired so I went to shop and bought personal copy. Does it mean I paid to author twice? First time being a tax payer and second time being a bookstore customer? My leatherwork gallery
Members Sylvia Posted January 16, 2012 Author Members Report Posted January 16, 2012 No thanks. I'd rather support the artists and people who advance our craft than steal from them. This isn't so much of an opinion but blatant statement implying that anyone that use this method, IS A THIEF. I don't copy these online sources, I read them as best I can and put them in a wish list for future purchases if appropriate to my needs. This is no different than going to a Barns and Nobel store and reading several chapters of a book before deciding to buy. I am not a thief and I do believe in copyright laws. It is extremely insulting to me that you even implied that I am a thief...so yes I used your "name" and used a little ARTISTIC LICENSE and made it a bit more appropriate to your comment. A teacher pointed at me with a ruler and said "At the end of this ruler is an idiot." I got detention when I asked "Which end?"
Members HellfireJack Posted January 16, 2012 Members Report Posted January 16, 2012 You completely right about everything and I agree with you on this. The only thing you seem don't paid much attention is that most of the people would like to see what they are buying before pay. As for me, I love lieathercraftlibrary.com and bought some from where, but at the same time I hate what there is completely no any preview. Maybe I would buy more stuff there could be preview available. "Zoom cover... pages:57." plus short general description. Press "What I am buying?" - you see what you are buying PDF for your own use. Great. But why I can't have a look inside? I wanted to buy lacing book there, but could see the only page stated something about 15 different braidings.... What are braidings? Can they put at least names or TOC there? No. Well I downloaded this book from internet. I suspect it was the same copy gotten from LCL.com. I looked into it, found there exactly what I need and.... WENT to LCL.com and paid 7 bucks for it. But if I couldn't find it for dounload I doubt I will pay 7 bucks for just "something". If book is great, person who read "preview" and found it worth it's money - I believe he will pay for it. If the book is a shit and I don't want to have it on my shelf or in my Kindle, then I could use the whole book preview as it would be book from a library - quickly read it, closed browser and forgot about this. Thats just my thoughts.... This trick isn't about previewing before you buy. It's showing others how not to have to pay for a book. You can inject whatever you have to in order to justify using this method. You don't need my approval to live your life and I'm not going to give it. Do what you have to do. As I've stated several times. I'm not going to use it and I hope others support these authors/craftspeople and actually purchase these books instead of just using this to read them for free.
Members Sylvia Posted January 16, 2012 Author Members Report Posted January 16, 2012 BTW: Sylvia, don't become so defensive about your method, that may show you are not quite comfortable with it either. ferg No one calls me a thief and gets away with it. NO ONE! I am perfectly fine using this method otherwise I would not have shared. A teacher pointed at me with a ruler and said "At the end of this ruler is an idiot." I got detention when I asked "Which end?"
Members HellfireJack Posted January 16, 2012 Members Report Posted January 16, 2012 This isn't so much of an opinion but blatant statement implying that anyone that use this method, IS A THIEF. I don't copy these online sources, I read them as best I can and put them in a wish list for future purchases if appropriate to my needs. This is no different than going to a Barns and Nobel store and reading several chapters of a book before deciding to buy. I am not a thief and I do believe in copyright laws. It is extremely insulting to me that you even implied that I am a thief...so yes I used your "name" and used a little ARTISTIC LICENSE and made it a bit more appropriate to your comment. LOL! Silvia, do be serious. Are you saying anyone who uses this method to read a book for free instead of buying it wouldn't be a thief? I'm not sure what you're saying here? And your name calling is useless in this discussion. Luckily I'm a fairly decent guy so you won't get the same treatment in return. I've already explained my opinion and what I mean precisely. if you have issues with it then those issues are yours and not mine. As I said you may not have intended for it to be such but this is what it is. It's extremely insulting to me that you would call me names while teaching people to use exploits to read books for free. Be serious here. Do you honestly think everyone who reads this will use this method you've put out to simply preview books before they buy them? What if some of these authors were orphans? Would stealing from orphans be OK?!? OMG!! CALL ME ANOTHER NAME!!! I hope everyone supports these authors and craftspeople in their endeavors and purchases these books rather than just using this method to read them for free. Fair is fair right?
Contributing Member Ferg Posted January 16, 2012 Contributing Member Report Posted January 16, 2012 Let's try to get this straightened out. You got the book from the library, read it liked it and considered buying the book. If you paid a fee to "Belong" to the Library you helped pay for the workers salary's, books, and all the essential things a public building has to have. The publisher received the most of the money for publishing the book but they also had to distribute same. The author got a stipend in many cases for having actually done the work of writing. The only money the author gets is for each book actually sold no matter who buys, library or person. ferg Thats also quite interesting case. Ok, I took book from a lib, read it and return. But was so iinspired so I went to shop and bought personal copy. Does it mean I paid to author twice? First time being a tax payer and second time being a bookstore customer?
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