Help With Leather Sewing Machine Decision - Please!

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I agree with Wizcraft I would get rid of the 45 for a 441 or a 205. I would not buy the cobra machine offered from the USofA either. The machine you have the link to on ebay is not want you need either. It is known as a "ruffler" it will do the same thing the 45 is doing it will mess up the bottom of your project because it too has very aggressive feed dogs. I would look for a local machine of the 441 or 205 variety that is located in your part of the world. Personally I would get the 441 like sewmun suggests.

Thanks Wizcraft, for your advice...

I did suspect that it would be possibly better to try and sell this machine. I think I had already come to this conclusion myself but needed some good advice...

Anne thanks for your imput, I think you are right about it being a good machine, which is why I purchased it several years ago. But have never really got on with the machine, and I also know

that it is a highly regarded machine here in the UK as well as around the world with saddlers. The reason I am looking for a newer machine is the fact I am hoping they will be easier to use and control.

Could I trouble the pair of you or anyone, to look at the link below and offer their opinion of this machine. The price with shipping is around £150 pounds ( $239) more than the Tippmann Boss with all the attachments and accessories Which I would order with the machine.

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item35baab6034

Thanks again, looking forward to your response

JC UK

[Anne Bonnys Locker]

As I said, in an ideal world the 441 or 205 is the ducks guts.

[jcuk]

Thanks everyone, for looking at the link and your input to my problem. There are lots of things to think about. Does anyone know of a 441 or 205 clone this side of the pond ( England) - names and manufactures. I can maybe source here in the UK which would cut shipping costs on such a heavy item. I know highlead maybe a 441 clone, not sure of any other names here have tried searching online but not sure of another names that are 441 and 205 clones over here.

Thanks again

JC UK

[jcuk]

Thanks everyone, for looking at the link and your input to my problem. There are lots of things to think about. Does anyone know of a 441 or 205 clone this side of the pond ( England) - names and manufactures. I can maybe source here in the UK which would cut shipping costs on such a heavy item. I know highlead maybe a 441 clone, not sure of any other names here have tried searching online but not sure of another names that are 441 and 205 clones over here.

Thanks again

JC UK

Hello again everyone,I have been searching high and low during the last few days for a 441/205 clone. I have found this : Could you please confirm this is what I think it is and does anyone know about the company or machine. Here is the link >>

http://cowboysew.maxtrader.eu/uk/1,2,1,32596,3,0,-1,-1,0,33907,0/Best+saddle+and+harness+sewing+machine.html

Any further feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again...

JC UK

[Andrew Chee]

Not sure if this is important to you but through my research I have found that Adler 205s have more different types of presser feet and attachments available to them (piping feet and binder attachments). 441s Generally have the standard feet available. 205s also have suspending guides available but I have not been able to figure one out for my 441 clone yet (it does have a swing away guide though).

Not sure if those things are important to you but just FYI.

Andrew

[Spinner]

Hello again everyone,I have been searching high and low during the last few days for a 441/205 clone. I have found this : Could you please confirm this is what I think it is and does anyone know about the company or machine. Here is the link >>

http://cowboysew.max...ng+machine.html

Any further feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again...

JC UK

The Cowboy machines are also good 441/205 clones, in fact our own Bob at Toledo Sewing is a USA dealer of them. Issues I see with that listing: first it is for the head only so you'd need to source the table, motor, etc. separately. Second is that it looks to be a drop ship from the factory which means it will not be set up to sew out of the box so you'll need to be versed in the initial set-up, which most folks are not.

Cheers,

Chris

[Wizcrafts]

According to Bob, at Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines, the Cowboy 441 clones, such as my Cowboy CB4500, ship from China with a blanket foot set with teeth, including a feeder with teeth. The dealer is responsible for changing to a harness foot set, with a smooth feed dog. I do not know if this is still the same situation when you buy direct from China.

All Cowboy machines are sold as is, with the dealer who imports them handling servicing. If you import the machine from China, you will become your own dealer and mechanic.

If you buy a machine from a dealer in the USA, it will already be setup for sewing leather, with the harness feet and smooth feed dog. It will have been adjusted and timed and sewn off. It will arrive threaded, with a sample of the leather under the foot.

[jcuk]

Not sure if this is important to you but through my research I have found that Adler 205s have more different types of presser feet and attachments available to them (piping feet and binder attachments). 441s Generally have the standard feet available. 205s also have suspending guides available but I have not been able to figure one out for my 441 clone yet (it does have a swing away guide though).

Not sure if those things are important to you but just FYI.

Andrew

Thanks Andrew For your help here as you may have gathered i maybe out of depth concerning sewing machines,so please forgive my ignorance thats why i joined Leatherworker.net.To get good advice everyone so far has given me food for thought which all will help in the long run.

Kindest regards

JC UK

[jcuk]

The Cowboy machines are also good 441/205 clones, in fact our own Bob at Toledo Sewing is a USA dealer of them. Issues I see with that listing: first it is for the head only so you'd need to source the table, motor, etc. separately. Second is that it looks to be a drop ship from the factory which means it will not be set up to sew out of the box so you'll need to be versed in the initial set-up, which most folks are not.

Cheers,

Chris

Thanks SpinnerFor your help yes i suspected it was only the head getting table,motor not a problem set up yes a will be but do know a guy who will do this i think.But back up from the company maybe so may pass up on this one.Glad to see i am finally getting to find 441 clones this side of the pond.Just have to find right one.

[jcuk]

According to Bob, at Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines, the Cowboy 441 clones, such as my Cowboy CB4500, ship from China with a blanket foot set with teeth, including a feeder with teeth. The dealer is responsible for changing to a harness foot set, with a smooth feed dog. I do not know if this is still the same situation when you buy direct from China.

All Cowboy machines are sold as is, with the dealer who imports them handling servicing. If you import the machine from China, you will become your own dealer and mechanic.

If you buy a machine from a dealer in the USA, it will already be setup for sewing leather, with the harness feet and smooth feed dog. It will have been adjusted and timed and sewn off. It will arrive threaded, with a sample of the leather under the foot.

Thanks WizcraftFor all your help here, yes back from dealers should be very vital to anyone buying such expensive item myself included as i said to Spinner Think i will pass this one by Good to i see maybe able to find a 441/205 clone this side of the pond.

Thanks again John

Thanks WizcraftFor all your help here, yes back from dealers should be very vital to anyone buying such expensive item myself included as i said to Spinner Think i will pass this one by Good to i see maybe able to find a 441/205 clone this side of the pond.

Thanks again John

Sorry Wizcraft should read back up from dealers

Thanks again John