Need A Binder Attachment For Either Machine...

[CustomDoug]

I need to get a binder attachment to sew leather to canvas and leather to leather. I came across a post where Sailrite binder attachments were suggested for "clone" type machines with screw holes on top - I assume my Consew 206 fit into that catagory (there are clones then there are clones)? I will be sewing upholstery leather and chap leather with this binder so I guess it needs to have a little thicker openings to accomadate this, especially if this attachment is to give a clean "hidden" edge. On the other hand I wouldn't mind a raw edge binding at times too. I also have a Singer 45K25.... is there a binder attachment for this machine? If not, is there such a thing made for a typical GA5-1 machine that might fit my 45K25? Thanks for any info!

Edited July 28, 2012 by CustomDoug

[Ferg]

Bob Covar has a number of binder attachments for many types of machines. His banner appears at top of these pages.

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I need to get a binder attachment to sew leather to canvas and leather to leather. I came across a post where Sailrite binder attachments were suggested for "clone" type machines with screw holes on top - I assume my Consew 206 fit into that catagory (there are clones then there are clones)? I will be sewing upholstery leather and chap leather with this binder so I guess it needs to have a little thicker openings to accomadate this, especially if this attachment is to give a clean "hidden" edge. On the other hand I wouldn't mind a raw edge binding at times too. I also have a Singer 45K25.... is there a binder attachment for this machine? If not, is there such a thing made for a typical GA5-1 machine that might fit my 45K25? Thanks for any info!

[Trox]

Hi Doug, Binders are universal and attach to the needle plate with two screws. Normal the needle plate has some threaded holes you can fix the sewing attachments in. If you needle plates do not have those holes, there is other solutions to fix them too. For example if you have a dropdown guide, the roller can be taken off and the attachments can be fixed there instead. Kwokhing.com sells all kinds of attachments. (I have piping attachments that attach that way)

Nevertheless, do not ask them for attachments for your 45 K, because that do not exist any more, and it will only confuse them. They are based in Hong Kong and have very pleasant prices; contact is made true Emails and payment true Paypal. I just bought two binders for off them for a cylinder bed machine, one raw edge and one double fold Binder, http://www.kwokhing.com/KHF/ I paid about 9 to 10 US $ each. The binders can also be used on my Adler 267 flatbed machine.

Find out what kind of binder you want, the tape size, and then take a picture of the plate and foot of your machine. Then send an Email to Mr. Bosco Ko in Kwokhing and ask him what he has for you. You might also need a binding foot set to be used with the binder, for your Consew that is no problem to find (they have that too). I do not know if you already have some presser foot that can be used; binders have to be attached very close up in front of the needle. Standard presser foots have to long toes and have to be modified or changed for binding feet’s. For your 45 K you might find something from the GA 5-1 or similar machines. Alternatively, you can use a roller foot that many dealers stock.

Sewmun (Bob from Toledo) has them. The following machines from Adler also uses the same kind of roller/presser foot; 105-64, 104-64, 104-8, 105-8, 204-64 and 205- 64, Ferdco 440 Baby Bull and similar machines from Cowboy, Techsew. Ferdco do closeouts sales now to reduced prices.

Kwokhing stocks a lot more stuff than is displayed on their web site; they also make the stuff they do not already have. I have bought a lot of stuff from them, unbeatable prices and very good service. Tell them you heard about them in the LW forum, I promised them to post about the company.

I hope this answered you question.

Good luck

Trox

I need to get a binder attachment to sew leather to canvas and leather to leather. I came across a post where Sailrite binder attachments were suggested for "clone" type machines with screw holes on top - I assume my Consew 206 fit into that catagory (there are clones then there are clones)? I will be sewing upholstery leather and chap leather with this binder so I guess it needs to have a little thicker openings to accomadate this, especially if this attachment is to give a clean "hidden" edge. On the other hand I wouldn't mind a raw edge binding at times too. I also have a Singer 45K25.... is there a binder attachment for this machine? If not, is there such a thing made for a typical GA5-1 machine that might fit my 45K25? Thanks for any info!

[CustomDoug]

Thanks Trox for that info. This page in particular has binders for "leather and thick material": leather binders .. can we assume that the thick material they're talking about is the tape to be used and not the material that the binding will be incasing?

EDIT - the link I posted is not working to link to the leather/thick binders, but under "applications" you can see it.

Edited July 29, 2012 by CustomDoug

[CustomDoug]

For your 45 K you might find something from the GA 5-1 or similar machines. Alternatively, you can use a roller foot that many dealers stock.

Trox

The kwokhing website is pretty non-specific with it's description (which might be a good thing in some ways).. but do you suppose the 45K and GA5-1 would be considered part of their "Small Sized Cylinder Bed Machines" ?

[Trox]

The answer to you question is no. This is not that easy to understand, I try to explain as good as possible. It refers to the material you want to bind. The sewing industry mostly uses already made tapes for such tasks, and they are fairly thin.

Here are some terms in use.

”Material thickness” = maximum allowed thickness of the material you want to bind.

”Mouth width” of the binder; it refers to material thickness (the material you want to bind).

”Tape” = the material feed in to the binder is called tape.

”Tape size” = the width of the tape. (The thickness of the tape is not listed; you have to ask about the binders maximum tape thickness)

The 1-needle binders has no listed material thickness, you have to ask them about this (or binders mouth width).

Example.

If you look at the cylinder bed binder KHF2, you will see they comes in two material thickness sizes S= 5 mm (for use on up to 5 mm thick material) and H= 7 mm (Up to 7 mm thick material). So ”H” and ”S” is the options in mouth width, and tell you how thick material they will be able to bind.

I bought the KHF2, H tape 22 mm. This can bind up to 7 mm thick leather with the tape size 22 mm. (width).

I have tried it with a tape thickness of 1,4 mm and it looks like it can handle up to about 1,8 to 2 mm thick tape.

I also bought the KHF4 in H (H = mouth size), tape 28 mm (width). This is a double fold binder for the same material thickness, up to 7 mm thick.

These two binders are made for a cylinderbed machines, but I am able to use them on my flat bed too. The flatbed binders are ready to use with the tape guide rails. For my cylinderbed, I have an attachment with this rail the binder will be fixed to. This rail is necessary to feed the tape correctly. List your machine and material and ask for a quote, it looks like the KHF 18 is the biggest raw edge binder with tape rail listed.

Thicker leather than 7 mm is not often binded (is not necessary), so bigger binders are not commonly to find.

Trox

Thanks Trox for that info. This page in particular has binders for "leather and thick material": leather binders .. can we assume that the thick material they're talking about is the tape to be used and not the material that the binding will be incasing?

EDIT - the link I posted is not working to link to the leather/thick binders, but under "applications" you can see it.

[Trox]

Here is another find for you Doug.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SINGLE-NEEDLE-SEWING-MACHINE-MEDIUM-ROLLER-FOOT-12265-/320767247788?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aaf37c5ac

This will fit your 45K, I paid 40 $ for a very simmilar roller foot of a dealer, so this is a bargain.

Edited July 30, 2012 by Trox

[nategines]

I recently bought a Singer 45k25. After reading this forum I went out and bought a few KHF2 binding attachments from Kwokhing. I am not sure how to attach them to my machine. It looks like the holes that are on my machine are not in the right place (see attached photos). I was wondering if anyone has any ideas about how to make this work?

I was thinking that maybe a drop down guide that the binders could mount to might be an answer? Does anyone have experience mounting a drop down guide to a 45k25? Im not even sure it has all the right holes (see attached photo). Im pretty handy and I could drill and tap the holes myself, if needed. I am just trying to figure out which drop down guide to buy (from Kwokhing or anyone else).

Thanks

[Andrew Chee]

Doesn't look like the 45Ks are made for binders. You may have to rig something up custom to make it work. As for the drop down guides, you may also have a hard time since the head is kinda small. All of the Kwok Hing ones have two horizontal mounting holes and your head doesn't look like it has enough room. I put one of these on my Artisan Toro 3000:

http://shop.raphaelsewing.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_46&products_id=518

This one might work better cause the mounting holes are vertical so they might fit your head. With that said, I have no idea whether it will actually fit or not. I'm actually not that hot on this guide either. There is nothing that locks it in place when it's in the down position. When you're sewing heavy leather, there is always a little bit of up and down vibration of the leather as it's sewing along and I found that it's enough to slowly lift the edge guide up and eventually disengage it.

Andrew

[wolfe9]

I would give Bob a call , but I think you will have to make a clamp on bracket & or do some drilling and tapping , if you need to make something let me know and I will see what I can do for you .Good luck

[DDahl]

The Tennessee Attachment Company makes custom binders of any type for special applications (e.g. heavy leather). From what I've read you would need to provide a sample of what you want and specifically what machine you are using. They will build a binder that will work the way you want it to. However, it will cost you $300 or more for the binder. Worth it if it solves your problems.

http://tennattachment.com/index.html

Dave

[nategines]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I really appreciate it. I am going to be calling Bob today to see what he has for me.

I found a few image of old singer 45ks on the internet. Some of them are a slightly different setup than the 45k25 that I have, but it appears that the cylinder arms is the same. There is a small bracket that is attached just behind the needle plate. I am guessing that it is for attachments like binders, folders, etc. Might be what I need? What do you guys think? Does anyone know what the part is called? Does anyone know where I might be able to find one of these brackets? Does anyone have one they would be willing to sell?

http://www.industrialsewmachine.com/webdoc1/used/used-singers/45k.htm