Tippmann Boss Vs Singer Patcher

[ELeBlanc]

I was hoping someone could contrast these two machines. Where one would be good and the other wouldn't.

I'm planning on using one of them for bags (4-7 oz leather) but thats my plan now and who knows what I may be thinking of making two years from now.

Thanks in advance.

PS: I still have 2.5" size 3/0 Harness Needles in packs of 25 for less than anyone else. I just sold 750 needles (30 packs of 25) to someone who teaches hand stitching.

[Wizcrafts]

The Boss may have trouble sewing thin leather, or bag leather. If you plan on using thread smaller than #138 you will have problems on that machine. You would have to send your samples to Tippman and ask them to sew them on a Boss and mail them back to you..

If the Boss does sew this material, it will go a long way between bobbin changes.

The Patchers are top driven, in any direction, and can sew up to 1/4 inch of anything that the foot can grab ahold of. The bobbins are very small and are best used with #69 thread. Patchers are available in two arm lengths and two bobbin sizes (tiny and small). The maximum stitch length is 5/inch, but only at about 1/8 inch thickness. It tends to drop as the thickness increases. Older patchers, like the 100 year old model 29-4, may be totally shot regarding stitch length.

[ELeBlanc]

Thanks Wiz,

My confession: I've been intending to get back into leather work for some time now. When I was a teenager I apprenticed briefly with George Reeves (Western Mass and Martha's Vineyard) about 40 years ago. Over the last several years I've just been buying but not doing....

I now own 5 patchers - 2 x 29-4, 29k58 treadle, 29k58 motorized, 29k72 motorized and a Frobana missing a part.

It was much easier with a mentor.

Signed - Struggling in NYC

[Techsew Ron]

I was hoping someone could contrast these two machines. Where one would be good and the other wouldn't.

I'm planning on using one of them for bags (4-7 oz leather) but thats my plan now and who knows what I may be thinking of making two years from now.

Thanks in advance.

PS: I still have 2.5" size 3/0 Harness Needles in packs of 25 for less than anyone else. I just sold 750 needles (30 packs of 25) to someone who teaches hand stitching.

Neither machine would really be ideal for sewing 4-7oz bags. The best for this would be a medium-weight walking foot machine that can use up to 138/207 thread and sew up to 3/8' thick. Cylinder bed is preferable so you can sew into the inner contours of the bag and into tighter areas than a flatbed would allow.

Feel free to contact me with any more questions!

Ron

[ELeBlanc]

I also own a Juki LU563 but haven't learned how to use it.