pineapple question

[crow]

Hi braiders,

have a question, probably easy for you but hard enough for me.

Learned a new trick (finally)how to increase bights, not much to show off but so far i`ve just used 6 bight knot everywhere.

I`m trying to cover my awl with pineapple. It is about 3" long. But i`ve no idea how to increase lenght of knot. It increased a bit adding bights but how many bights you add anyway, it is going to bundle in the ends.

Do you guys make the basic turks head right on the item you want to cover, tighten and then just see how many bights and interwaves need to be added or is there another way?

Just took a look on Rawhides 12 plait reins (fantastic job by the way), and i don`t understand how these long nots are narrowed on one end and wider on the other.

Maybe i`ll find answer in GH books i ordered, but it takes 2 weeks to receive, can`t wait that long

any help appriciated

crow

[rawhide1]

crow

I'll try my best here! When I build a knot I build it right on whatever I'm covering. And as far as bights go I just keep adding them until it looks right or gets to tight to add another one. When doing a tapered knot you will have to add interweaves on the bigger part. Like on the reins (thanks for the complement) I used a two turn six bight knot for my foundation and then done my first interweave, and since that didn't cover I went with a second interweave and a third interweave. So here is another tricky part which I'm trying to figure out. Which is depending on your #of bights is how your interweaves will work out. I was told that a eight bight foundation would have more allowance for interweaves. I'm not to sure as how to explain the directions for doing a two or three turn or greater knot. If no one else chimes in maybe I can try to explain it. I do know that it is shown in Mrs Houghts book on rommel reins. I probably made this as clear as mud for ya. But I hope it helps a little bit.Good luck and keep after it.

Mike

[KAW]

I like to make the gaps in my foundations(turksheads) about how many passes I want to go through it with and then stop making bights and interweave it till it is tight and always do it right on the project, hope this makes sense to you. increasig the length is hard to explain without showing you so if you have books coming with pics look at them when you get them and it should be easy.

[TwoCrow]

In the post "Lacing on Tools" by Duke I put a short tutorial on how to cover tools handles. You might take a look and see if it helps. It shows pictures of the interweaves going into a long-pineapple.

Edited September 6, 2008 by TwoCrow

[Alan Bell]

Crow, the simple answer to your question is that to make a knot longer (not more bights or interweaves) you will take more wraps around the core. For instance you are use to going around the core and coming back and crossing over your standing end. Well the next level would have you go around your core twice cross over in the back and then up and cross over your standing end. What ever you do on the front you do on the back and now you have two halves to the front and two halves to the back so you cross over on the back-you cross over on the front. You go o1 (bottom half) and o1 (top half actually the previous pass) on the front and repeat this on the back, then you go u1, o1 on the bottom and you go u1,o1 on the top of the front and repeat the sequence on the back. Each pass you will increase by 1 top and bottom. By the third pass you will be making a pair of parallel passes that the fourth pass will split and this repeats for every 2 passes thereafter so you can finish with either a 4 bight, six bight, eight bight etc.. The closer your foundation gets to completely covering your core without interweaves the closer each set of parallel passes get to each other. You are covering from lets say left to right bottom to top on the front and from right to left top to bottom on the back and obviously this front will eventually meet the back in this fashion. This is the easiest way I can explain it in words with out using pictures. Hope this helps. If you can visualize what I have written it will help you not get lost no matter what you are building. Try it with the six bight knot you are use to and look at it in this way as building up in overs and unders with each pass and building from the top to bottom and left to right and front to back. If you can see all this as you progress then all the knots become easier to learn. Hope this helps some. For a longer knot you could take one more wrap and build things up from there or any number of wraps for any length of knot but it will take a longer and longer string so for a nose band of 7+" we will use the multiple string method.

Vaya Con Dios, Alan Bell

Edited September 6, 2008 by Alan Bell

[entiendo]

Oh geez, I didn't get that at all Alan. I'm trying to do the same thing so I put them on hair pieces. Maybe if I read it a few times it will come to me.

[crow]

thanks Alan and the others.

Can´t say i figured it out. Atleast i got that lenght depends on number of turns.

If there was somebody who have time to take pics of making 2 turn 4 bights (adding bights later, shouldnt be difficult).

I`ve used to make knots on mandrel, but i was thinking of it earlier that i may use mandrel only for foundation and add bights on an item, so thanks for confirming my idea.

best regards

Crow

[Opagon]

In Gail's Book - The basics Revised Edition - she covers how to make the knots longer (Long pineapple). It has clear instructions and photos for visual learners along with helpful hints to keep beginners on track. It also shows how to add an interweave of contrasting color.

(Maybe I should try to get on her Sales team...lol)

Keep Braiding-

Heather

[crow]

yep , i know that there are instruction, just can`t wait until they are here and thought maybe and just maybe somebody is so kind to tie an little knot and take some pics.

No use of useing your selling skills on me :-)), already fell in that net and ordered the books. Have been peeking them in internet since last autumn and hesitated because of the price but finally ordered last week. Cant wait them to be here. And have to say, living in europe is kind of expencive, paied 40$ just for shipping, ouch. For my sake, hope that it does not turn out that there was a possibility to order them in europe for much less cost If somebody does know such a place in europe, please, dont tell me!!Dont ruin my day

crow

[entiendo]

I have that book, but I didn't see it, I better look again...