SouthernCross Report post Posted June 22, 2013 How do you typically sew the various pieces of leather together for your holsters? Hand sew, Tipmann Boss type machine, electric machine, etc.? I've done a couple just for myself by hand-stitching only and it's miserable going.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadowsbane Report post Posted June 22, 2013 Hand. A stitching pony is a lifesaver though. I have a machine, but lack the table/motor for one yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dwight Report post Posted June 23, 2013 I used to teach holster making, . . . and I always told them, . . . "Hands are for hamburgers, . . . machines are for stitching". Then I would produce my Tippmann, . . . and part of the class would be giving them the opportunity to try the machine. If they didn't want to do it, . . . I would sew their holster for them, . . . but they did the cutting, edging, burnishing, patterning, etc. Truthfully, . . . If I had to hand stitch everything that goes out of this shop, . . . I'd probably go into the coaster business. But that is my opinion, and there are others of a totally different take on the subject. May God bless, Dwight Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadowsbane Report post Posted June 23, 2013 Yeah there is definitely a speed boost with a machine no doubt about it. Although they have their own learning curve. I would avoid a tippman though. Went that route and while I probably never gave it the chance it deserved I could of got a basic electric that is just easier to use all around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SooperJake Report post Posted June 23, 2013 Cowboy CB 4500 ..reduce 1 1/2 hours of hand work to about 6 minutes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IngleGunLeather Report post Posted June 23, 2013 Machine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chiefjason Report post Posted June 23, 2013 Still hand stitching. Getting a little faster at it. A sewing palm helps too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southernbeau Report post Posted June 23, 2013 Hand stitching and lots of it...builds character. (In truth had I the disposable income I would have a machine) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed in Tx Report post Posted June 23, 2013 Bought a Cobra 4 last November and it has been a hand saver. I was hand stitching but with the machine I can sew a holster in just a few minutes versus an hour or so. Want to make a belt, I did 2 by hand and thought I would never finish, literally took hours, with the Cobra 4 done in 15 minutes or less. It is tough to shell out $2600 for a machine but you end up saving a lot of time and your sanity. It only took me about 2 weeks to become fairly proficient on the machine, as time has progressed I have learned the small things that make it even easier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bjbwt2 Report post Posted June 23, 2013 I am a hobbyist and I hand sew. Working with leather is a therapeutic relief from my stressful full time job. I get into a rhythm and my mind clears- its great. Make a stitching pony... It will really speed things up and improve the overall quality of your work. If this was a full time business I would absolutely have a machine, but still offer (and charge a premium) hand stitching. Maybe one day when I strike it rich I will have a machine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shooter McGavin Report post Posted June 23, 2013 I like the tippmann boss because it gives me ultimate control over the placement of every single stitch. I dislike it due to parts breakage and the seemingly constant fiddling required to keep the tensions good. I dont have the space and power in the basement workshop to get something like the cowboy or cobra. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Denster Report post Posted June 23, 2013 Machine. It is very hard to be profitable without one. I have two Tippmann Boss' and a powered machine that I use for larger projects like belts etc. All holsters I do on the Boss. In over 4,000 holsters and countless other projects I have broken two needles and one thread take up arm spring. The Boss is tough but simple to repair yourself if something does break. Simple to learn on and help is only a phone call away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernCross Report post Posted June 24, 2013 Thanks for the responses, gentlemen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shooter McGavin Report post Posted June 24, 2013 Machine. It is very hard to be profitable without one. I have two Tippmann Boss' and a powered machine that I use for larger projects like belts etc. All holsters I do on the Boss. In over 4,000 holsters and countless other projects I have broken two needles and one thread take up arm spring. The Boss is tough but simple to repair yourself if something does break. Simple to learn on and help is only a phone call away. I've broken the lifter arm 3 times, the rack gear once, and the quadrant gear twice. I've dulled a bunch of needles, but never broke one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Josh Ashman Report post Posted June 24, 2013 I sew everything by hand using a homemade stitching horse and a thin pair of leather gloves with the finger tips cut off. I've been giving a lot of thought to getting a Boss for a few years now but haven't done it yet. This is just a hobby for me and I find sewing to be relaxing but I'd take a lot more orders if I had more time. Good luck, Josh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samalan Report post Posted June 24, 2013 Cobra 4 with eps for me this machine is it!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Denster Report post Posted June 24, 2013 I've broken the lifter arm 3 times, the rack gear once, and the quadrant gear twice. I've dulled a bunch of needles, but never broke one. I'm curious. How in heck did you manage to break the thread lifter arm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shooter McGavin Report post Posted June 25, 2013 Just to clarify, Im talking about the CAR-11 piece that clamps to the shaft and has a bearing that the thread take up lever rides on. The first time it broke was when tightening it to the shaft after replacing the needle shaft gear, the second time was when the needle shaft gear broke again, jammed up the rack gear, and I tried to gorilla the arm up. Cant remember what the 3rd break was, by then I was so frustrated I couldnt think. So now I have a warehouse full of extra parts just to avoid the downtime I was experiencing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lws380 Report post Posted June 26, 2013 Hand sewing at first, but after I bought a Cobra 4, I know I should have gotten it earlier. May hands got pretty sore hand sewing all the time. Machine sews a holster in a minute or so, compared to 20 minutes by hand. If you want to increase the volume, you need a machine IMO. I liked the Cobra so much, I got another one just like it. I have natural thread set up on one and balck on the other. I got tired of changing thread and decided I should have a back up in case one broke. If I was without my machine, I'd be screwed. So now have two, just in case. I've also added a Cobra Clicker dye and a Cobra leather splitter. Love them too and they are time savers as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gottaknow Report post Posted June 29, 2013 Even though I have plenty of machines to sew holsters with, I sew by hand to get the relaxation factor. Regards, Eric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrampaJoel Report post Posted June 29, 2013 Everything by machine that I can. I like the cobra models. The rest in a stitching horse by hand. Unless it is a cantle binding. Those are always hand stitched on the saddle stand. Joel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bronson Report post Posted June 30, 2013 Just a hobbyist, I only make a few holsters a year, so everything I do is by hand. Bronson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve75 Report post Posted July 7, 2013 Like most here I am a hobbiest, so I hand sew my holsters. I have gotta make/get a stitching horse so I can complete my projects easier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hillbilly tim Report post Posted July 9, 2013 I want to sew by machine but, until I can afford a cobra 4 its all by hand. although the backlog I have makes me think I could really up my throughput and ultimately pay for the machine. Leathersmith Richard Black, of youtube fame amongst others, and I conversed some about this same conversation and he suggested a cobra class 18 or equiv machine unless the interest was getting into heavy tack. In his opinion that flatbed w/3/8-7/16 footlift would do about all anyone would ever need. But if the time arose, it would bring its return investment to be put in a class 4 then. So... for me its only by hand for now. Bro Tim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig44 Report post Posted July 9, 2013 I hand stitch but am not trying to make a living at it. I could easily buy a machine but I doubt I ever will, although I admit and agree that it would be very difficult to be profitable without one. Stitching is actually one of the things I enjoy most about making a holster and I can easily turn out several a week while still working a full time job. I'll have completed three border-stamped holsters and a heavy gunbelt by tomorrow already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites