Singer class 7 machine?

[hvl]

I asked a couple of questions last week and Bruce was kind enough to give me a nice, detailed and informative answers but I have a new question. I'm looking for a heavy stitcher for saddles and horse tack and have found a Singer class 7 machine in my area for sale. What do y'all think of them? I've heard good things about them but would like to hear your opinions. Thanks

[Art]

Hi Hvl,

It depends on the model, but if tight they are a very very very good Stitcher for heavy work, no reverse, but still one of the best threaded needle stitchers ever; I think the 7-33 was probably the best of them. The majority of them were used during WWII for tentwork, back when they used real canvas and a lot of it. I've seen them with one or two needles and with and without pullers. They are about the heaviest duty machine ever made and the ones with pullers were real brutes. The only drawback is they were flatbed only. While you are onto big machines, the 97-10 was a real good machine also, and it is a cylinder arm, not a flatbed.

Art

I asked a couple of questions last week and Bruce was kind enough to give me a nice, detailed and informative answers but I have a new question. I'm looking for a heavy stitcher for saddles and horse tack and have found a Singer class 7 machine in my area for sale. What do y'all think of them? I've heard good things about them but would like to hear your opinions. Thanks

[barra]

I concur with Art. The 7-33 is an awesome machine. We use them in the Military to stitch heavy webbing harnesses like Parachutes and pilot harnesses. They are affectionately called Thumpers and for good reason. They will thump their way thru just about anything you can fit under the foot. These things and cockroaches will be the only things to survive a nuclear holocaust. Having said all that, because it is a flat bed and has feed dogs, sewing shearling "may" be a bit tricky. Then again it may go next challenge please. If in good order and the price is right I'd snap it up.

Barra

http://www.industrialsewmachine.com/webdoc...ures/7class.htm

Edited September 19, 2008 by barra

[Art]

Most of the 7-33s came stock with these "Monster" balance wheels on them, so if the motors of the day couldn't do it, the operator has some real mechanical advantage and could help. Most of the ones I have seen were painted "Navy" gray, if you find a black one it may be older. Some like the 33 had alternating feet and some of the other models had the "vibrating" presser foot, the alternating is better. If you find a 97-10 it will have a "jump" foot like the 900-B and the No.9. I know the "stand" for the 97-10 weighed at least twice what the machine did, and it was surely no lightweight, just the motor assembly weighed more than a Juki 441 head. Good luck in your quest for Big Iron.

Art

[CowboyBob]

I'd like to add my $.02 ,the 7-33 is a good machine it like the 7-31 have a larger bobbin than the 7-34 or 7-9 which have the same size bobbin as adler 205& juki 441,we have found that the smaller bobbin gives more consistant thread tension in leather than the large bobbin does,if your sewing thinner materials or canvas & etc then the large bobbin would be better.We have modified the 7-31 & 33 in the past to sew 1" thick of nylon webbing,if you want to sew thick 1/2"-7/8"a 97-10 like Art mentioned is better than any 7class since the single foot it has is much narrower than the wide & clumbsy feet on a 7.

The problem know w/a 97 is getting parts & smaller needles if you want to use thinner thread than 346,since the needle is so long if you where to find any smaller needles they bend & break easy,so you can drop the needlebar down & use a shorter needle like the 794S & will limit your thickness to 1/2"

HTH,

Bob

[torrbuidhe]

I would like to get my hands on a 7 class or a 97-10, though I wouldn't have much justification for owning one

97s must be scarce, there's a list of production numbers of Singer industrial on the Needlebar site -

http://needlebar.org/main/industrial/index.html

There's also a size comparison of a 7-25 and a 45k on the same site -

http://www.needlebar.org/cm/displayimage.p...=243&pos=20

Would the Pearson 6 be comparable to these machines?

[Art]

The 6 and it's brethern (No.9 and Classic) are very good machines for harnesswork. I love my No.9 and we joke around here that it is my portable. They are needle feed jump foot machines and very simple. Depending on the machine, they will have a linear or rotary shuttle. Good simple machines. The Pearson is more available in the UK, Oz, and Canada, and quite pricey here (US), No.9s are more available here and you can buy the Classic new, none will come cheap. I had a 6/6 (Ferdco) but I didn't keep it.

Art

I would like to get my hands on a 7 class or a 97-10, though I wouldn't have much justification for owning one

97s must be scarce, there's a list of production numbers of Singer industrial on the Needlebar site -

http://needlebar.org/main/industrial/index.html

There's also a size comparison of a 7-25 and a 45k on the same site -

http://www.needlebar.org/cm/displayimage.p...=243&pos=20

Would the Pearson 6 be comparable to these machines?

[hvl]

Gee guys thanks for all the input!! I really appreciate am finding that I have a LOT to learn! We're going to look at the machine today (not sure what exact #7 it is) and I've taken notes of all your advice and will take them with me to compare. Thanks again. I'm so excited!

Joy

[simran]

This is an old thread but didn't think opening another was needed. I just picked up a 7-33 yesterday for not more than a song. The lady said it was her dad's and she would rather give it to someone that would use it rather than market it to the public. Anyway, I do a lot of flat leather and canvas work and would like to get into some harness repair in the future. With this old horse I think the future just showed itself

Oh, she also sold me a Smith eyelet & hook press on the original foot operated, cast iron stand in very nice condition; along with a little box of anvils for it. She spotted me drooling on that too and made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

This was all fun and exciting until I got home and had to face the management!!!!!!!

Anyone looking for a Landis K model stitcher near upper Wisconsin let me know. She's got one of them and a short arm Singer 29 patcher too.

sim

[Art]

Hi Sim,

Is that a 12 K?

Art

This is an old thread but didn't think opening another was needed. I just picked up a 7-33 yesterday for not more than a song. The lady said it was her dad's and she would rather give it to someone that would use it rather than market it to the public. Anyway, I do a lot of flat leather and canvas work and would like to get into some harness repair in the future. With this old horse I think the future just showed itself

Oh, she also sold me a Smith eyelet & hook press on the original foot operated, cast iron stand in very nice condition; along with a little box of anvils for it. She spotted me drooling on that too and made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

This was all fun and exciting until I got home and had to face the management!!!!!!!

Anyone looking for a Landis K model stitcher near upper Wisconsin let me know. She's got one of them and a short arm Singer 29 patcher too.

sim

[simran]

Hi Sim,

Is that a 12 K?

Art

Art,

It is a 12K sorry. It looks to be in excellent condition. I run the wheel back and forth a couple of times and it seemed pretty tight.

[Anne Bonnys Locker]

"Picked up" You should warn prospective Singer 7 owners that the head alone weighs about 75kg (165lb).

If you buy one take some hefty mates with you.

[simran]

"Picked up" You should warn prospective Singer 7 owners that the head alone weighs about 75kg (165lb).

If you buy one take some hefty mates with you.

After closer inspection I see that it is a 7-31. I found out today that the difference is that a 7-31 had a flatbelt pulley & clutch on the wheel. The 7-33 had the clutch on the motor.

This one has, however, been converted at some point in history.

[thunter9]

fron left feild:

if someone was looking for a machine thats comparible if say a cow boy 4500 or 3500. what older machine out there will do basicly the same. use the heavyier thread,reverse would be nice , and a cylinder arm. I like the triple feed . so if any one knows ,could you let me know what i should be looking for . now if any one out there knows any one that would consider a partial trade of some old gomph w.rose. osborne hand tools 11 hole rein rounder osborne stiching horse bevelers.,creasers,over stich wheels brass draw knife osborne. 12 asst. gomph creasers nail puller french edger. these are all marked Hope some one can hepl to point me in the right direction T Hunter

[Wizcrafts]

The Cowboy CB3200, 3500, 4500 and 5500 are clones of the Juki TSC-441. The same goes for the comparable Cobra and Techsew machines. These machines have huge oscillating shuttles and cylindrical bobbins.

The Juki TSC-441 was built to compete against the Adler 205-370. So, if you can find either of these machines cheaper than a Cowboy with the same arm length, buy it. Note that the aforementioned Juki sells for about $6,000 and the Adler for about $7,000.

There used to be a machine called the Ferdinand Bull, which was based on the Juki 441, but modified into a needle feed, jump foot machine. They show up for sale in our MarketPlace every now and then. Beware though, the company is out of business.

[Northmount]

fron left feild:

if someone was looking for a machine thats comparible if say a cow boy 4500 or 3500. what older machine out there will do basicly the same. use the heavyier thread,reverse would be nice , and a cylinder arm. I like the triple feed . so if any one knows ,could you let me know what i should be looking for . now if any one out there knows any one that would consider a partial trade of some old gomph w.rose. osborne hand tools 11 hole rein rounder osborne stiching horse bevelers.,creasers,over stich wheels brass draw knife osborne. 12 asst. gomph creasers nail puller french edger. these are all marked Hope some one can hepl to point me in the right direction T Hunter

Check with member Bruce Johnson. He may be interested in purchasing the tools, then you can apply that to purchase of a machine. Send him a PM. Posting your location may be helpful too.

Tom

[1985]

On 4/13/2011 at 11:14 AM, Anne Bonnys Locker said:

"Picked up" You should warn prospective Singer 7 owners that the head alone weighs about 75kg (165lb).

If you buy one take some hefty mates with you.

They are very heavy special with the bottom piece , me and my misses of 5ft4 helped me lift mine to its place of workings, we both were struggling to lift the dam thing, above our hips to drop on the table, unknown to her once iv refurbished the double needle class 7,  that has to be carried back  , lol then we have to carry the 7-33 into its the working area to be cleaned up and and taken back, shes a good old sort ` strong for her size, 

The only trouble with these machines if they ain`t on a table with a hole cut out to get underneath to adjust stuff they are a bugger to tip on there side,

 

[Northmount]

18 hours ago, 1985 said:

They are very heavy special with the bottom piece , me and my misses of 5ft4 helped me lift mine to its place of workings, we both were struggling to lift the dam thing, above our hips to drop on the table, unknown to her once iv refurbished the double needle class 7,  that has to be carried back  , lol then we have to carry the 7-33 into its the working area to be cleaned up and and taken back, shes a good old sort ` strong for her size, 

The only trouble with these machines if they ain`t on a table with a hole cut out to get underneath to adjust stuff they are a bugger to tip on there side,

 

Did you notice this thread is from 2011-2015?

Anne Bonnys Locker isn't around anymore.

[1985]

Owe, I  do apologize .

When I read this thread I overlooked the year ended, I just got a bit into the reading as Iv just been working on my class 7 machines all this month, So yes some what pointless adding my 2 bits worth considering the person locker isn't around anymore,Sorry!!