Members St8LineGunsmith Posted December 25, 2013 Members Report Posted December 25, 2013 Yes Sir followed the instructions to a T and everything fell right into place I am mighty proud of how my first one came out now I need to make a south paw rig for my self. Quote No Matter Where Ya Go There Ya Are. Chattown Leatherheads American Plainsmen Society Society Of Remington Revolver Shooters(SCORRS) THE SUBLYME & HOLY ORDER OF THE SOOT, (SHOTS) The St8 Line Leathersmith I was Southern Born, I am Southern Bred And when I Die I will Be Southern Dead! I fly this Southern Flag Because my Ancestors Flew it in A war to ensure our God given rights against a Tyrannical Government. Heritage Not Hate!
Members taintedelephant Posted December 16, 2014 Members Report Posted December 16, 2014 I've said this about all forms of art, "it's all been done before". from movies to photography, painting, all the way back to cave paintings, there are no truly original ideas, that is why you have to put your own little or big touch of style on whatever you do. I recently designed a couple of front pocket wallets to meet my own needs, I would hope that they are one of a kind, but i'm sure if I did enough digging I would find a pattern someone made in 1945 that looks just like mine. I know that the pattern came out of my head, and I know the finished product will look different than theirs. str8line, and brazos What do you think about using a kit as a pattern? just for personal use. With the price on some of those things, its enough to buy a pattern, and all the materials 2 times over. Quote
Members Tramps Leatherworking Posted December 16, 2014 Members Report Posted December 16, 2014 New and original works of art are being created all the time --- even with the limited number of musical chords and notes, musicians still come up with new compositions regularly. As technology advances, people are able to create new things that only a few years before were unheard of... Find me another song that sounds like "Stairway to Heaven". Quote ~Tramp~ Experientia magistra stultorum --- (Experience is the teacher of fools)
Members taintedelephant Posted December 16, 2014 Members Report Posted December 16, 2014 The most notable part of Stairway can be found in Taurus by Spirit, and other elements can be found elsewhere. many of those elements probably were likely present in classical and or forgotten forms of music. I'm not saying that the artists stole those elements, or were not creative and talented. it's the execution that matters most. the pattern, stories, music are recycled, but the performance and arangement is legendary. Quote
Members Tramps Leatherworking Posted December 17, 2014 Members Report Posted December 17, 2014 I have listened to both songs and those are two totally separate pieces of music --- the riff in "Taurus" is just an Am descending riff that has been used in many songs, including "Dream On", and "Something" by the beatles... If Spirit had truly felt "Stairway" was a ripoff they wouldn't have waited 42 years to bring a copyright lawsuit... "Stairway" is an original composition by Jimmy Page that was truly a work of art. Quote ~Tramp~ Experientia magistra stultorum --- (Experience is the teacher of fools)
Members St8LineGunsmith Posted December 17, 2014 Members Report Posted December 17, 2014 I've said this about all forms of art, "it's all been done before". from movies to photography, painting, all the way back to cave paintings, there are no truly original ideas, that is why you have to put your own little or big touch of style on whatever you do. I recently designed a couple of front pocket wallets to meet my own needs, I would hope that they are one of a kind, but i'm sure if I did enough digging I would find a pattern someone made in 1945 that looks just like mine. I know that the pattern came out of my head, and I know the finished product will look different than theirs. str8line, and brazos What do you think about using a kit as a pattern? just for personal use. With the price on some of those things, its enough to buy a pattern, and all the materials 2 times over. My thoughts is use the pattern until it falls apart and don't just limit yourself to just personal use, If someone likes something you made from someone else design make one for them and charge a fair price for your time and materials used. for example i have sold a couple of the Brazos Jack design holsters to a couple of my CAS buddys but I always credit Jim for creating the design and I have no doubt Jim is flattered by me making something for sale from a pattern that he designed, That being said here is where I think Jim would have a big problem with me using his designs and would be blatant copyright infringement on my part Per say would be for me to print off a bunch of copys of his drawn patterns and instruction sheets and sell them to the public and he has every right to file suit against me at that point. when someone designs and sells patterns and instructions they expect those who buy their pattern to make the project from their pattern and also expect some will make these projects to sell publicly. Quote No Matter Where Ya Go There Ya Are. Chattown Leatherheads American Plainsmen Society Society Of Remington Revolver Shooters(SCORRS) THE SUBLYME & HOLY ORDER OF THE SOOT, (SHOTS) The St8 Line Leathersmith I was Southern Born, I am Southern Bred And when I Die I will Be Southern Dead! I fly this Southern Flag Because my Ancestors Flew it in A war to ensure our God given rights against a Tyrannical Government. Heritage Not Hate!
NVLeatherWorx Posted December 17, 2014 Report Posted December 17, 2014 And that, St8LineGunsmith, is exactly the correct answer. There is nothing more to be said on that subject. If it was truly an issue, don't you think that a company like, Tandy for instance, would have an issue with some hobby guys making a living on just dying their kits, sewing them together, and then selling them for 3 times the kit cost AS THEIR OWN creations? I say this because there are some people out there in our market that are doing that very thing and some of them are making $5,000 per week, CONSISTENTLY, doing just that. These kits are sold to everyone who wants to buy them for the purpose of completing and then either giving away or selling them with no strings attached by Tandy (or whomever created the base kit). However, the instructions, designs, and other information included with the kit (which also happens to outline the individual parts) can not be sold or transferred to ANYONE else for the purpose of being used to create a finished product. When you buy that kit, YOU have the right to use it for your works; you can't share it with anyone else without violating that agreement with the seller. If someone else wants to make something like it then tell them to go buy the kit and all is good. Quote Richard Hardie R. P. Hardie Leather Co. R. P. Hardie Leather Co. - OnlineR. P. Hardie Leather Co on Facebook
Members taintedelephant Posted December 17, 2014 Members Report Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) Tramps, lets just disagree. Edited December 17, 2014 by taintedelephant Quote
Members WyomingSlick Posted December 17, 2014 Members Report Posted December 17, 2014 I have listened to both songs and those are two totally separate pieces of music --- the riff in "Taurus" is just an Am descending riff that has been used in many songs, including "Dream On", and "Something" by the beatles... If Spirit had truly felt "Stairway" was a ripoff they wouldn't have waited 42 years to bring a copyright lawsuit... "Stairway" is an original composition by Jimmy Page that was truly a work of art. Oh ! Thanks a lot for making me feel really old by reminding me that "Stairway to Heaven" came out 43 years ago. LOL Quote (John 8:32) And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (KJV) And the truth is that religion is nothing more than the lame attempt by largely ignorant people to bring sense and order to a world that was beyond their comprehension. Once you see religion for the delusional and superstitious artifact it is............... you will be free !
Members Tramps Leatherworking Posted December 18, 2014 Members Report Posted December 18, 2014 Oh ! Thanks a lot for making me feel really old by reminding me that "Stairway to Heaven" came out 43 years ago. LOL Lmao, no problem! Getting old sucks, but it beats the alternative... sometimes... lol Quote ~Tramp~ Experientia magistra stultorum --- (Experience is the teacher of fools)
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