Identify This Old Singer For Me Please!

[Hi Im Joe]

Hello Experts...

Can anyone identify this old Singer for me?

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/bfs/4646560335.html

Thank you so much!

Joe

[CowboyBob]

It's a 138W101.needlefeed double needle.

[Constabulary]

Ask for the distance between the two needles if you need a 2 needle machine with a certain distance.

You only can adjust the distance with an other complete gauge set and that may cost 1/2 of the machine - if you can find one at all.

I also have an old Singer to ID - hope you don´t mind that I hijack your thread "Hi Im Joe"

Looks like a 45K but what subclass is it?

It has an extremely long needle bar and a strange stitch length adjuster for a 45K I´d say...

Sorry this is the only picture.

[Hi Im Joe]

Thanks guys! You are awesome!

Hi-jack away...I hope someone has an answer for you!

[CowboyBob]

The needlebar is probably a replacement on that they didn't cut off after they put it in.Look up 45K92,that stitch length is for reverse.

[Constabulary]

I see - Thanks a lot for the hint.

I thought it was a special purpose machine because of the X-long needle bar. I also have never seen a 45K with reverse. Probably because they are not very common on this side of the pond, You find more Adler 4 than Singer 45K.

[CowboyBob]

I haven't seen many over here,I doubt if they ever made a lot of them.

[Hi Im Joe]

Hey guys what do you think about this:

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/for/4612933380.html

The lady will take 175.00 for it. I have the adler 67...how do the two compare?

Thanks again guys for all your help. You have saved me much headache.

EDIT: Did some research on the ISMACS website and I think the machine is a 111w101.

Edited September 3, 2014 by Hi Im Joe

[Constabulary]

The 111w101 has no reverse and this certain machine is much much older than your 67, The motor is quite old too and seems to have a separated clutch. As far as I know they both use the smaller type bobbins but the 111 has a drop in hook and the bobbins are not covered with an extra lid - if you know what I mean.

The 111w has a stitch length adjuster in the hand wheel which means you have to push a button in the flat bed and then turn the hand wheel to change the stitch length. Some find this system odd but I like it! The stitch length of the 111w is mostly max.5 SPI

[Hi Im Joe]

Sounds like maybe I shouldn't mess with it. No reverse kind of hurts.

Thanks Constabulary! Very helpful.

[Constabulary]

I think your Adler is the better built machine but I recently had experience with an Adler 167 (same as yours but larger bobbin as far as I know) and from my point of view the Singer 111w is more service friendly than the Adler and accessories like presser foot and spare parts are much cheaper and easier to find. The 111w has timing / adjustment marks which makes the adjustment easier but I haven't seen any on the Adler 167.

Others may have different opinions but If I had too choose between an Adler 67 and a Singer 111w (in case the Singer has reverse) I´d buy a Singer again.

[Hi Im Joe]

Yeah no reverse is kind of doing me in. I agree that it seems there are way more parts and info out there for the Singer (ENGLISH MANUAL!).

[Constabulary]

If you find a 111 with a w156 or G156 subclass it has a reverse lever so it could be an option for you

One more note:

The Singer 211 is the successor oft he 111 and all 211 are for sure younger that any of the 111 but they have a much smaller hand wheels so I personally prefer the 111 (I have worked with both). You also find the 211 with and w/o reverse.