esantoro Posted October 29, 2008 Report Posted October 29, 2008 I'm thinking of getting Ivan's motor along with his burnisher, but I do like the idea of having a variable mini bench grinder for this task. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/disp...temnumber=43533 Does anyone have experience with these. If I get it, I'd have to use some kind of arbor adapter to go from 10mm to 1/2" and with some extension to allow burnishing space, which ma unbalance the grinder. I've never used one of these mini grinders and don't know is such modifications are possible. Ed Quote http://www.waldenbags.com http://www.waldenbags.etsy.com
stelmackr Posted October 29, 2008 Report Posted October 29, 2008 I'm thinking of getting Ivan's motor along with his burnisher, but I do like the idea of having a variable mini bench grinder for this task.http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/disp...temnumber=43533 Does anyone have experience with these. If I get it, I'd have to use some kind of arbor adapter to go from 10mm to 1/2" and with some extension to allow burnishing space, which ma unbalance the grinder. I've never used one of these mini grinders and don't know is such modifications are possible. Ed To ALL above, regarding motors other than the 1750 RPM. I have one of Ivan's fantastic burnishers and running the uncased leather against the burnisher along with Ivan's prepared wax mixture requires some force and friction. The idea is that the wool felt wheel mechanically lays the leather fibers over while the speed heats up the leather melting the wax mixture into the fibers that are being laid down. Use of a motor that would start to stall when you push the leather against the burnisher would slow the burnisher down and the wax mixture would not work as effectively. I suspect that the mini bench grinder would fall into that category (I do think that mini bench grinder* would be a nice addition to a leather shop for many other reasons). I think Ivan will be selling a perfectly matched motor, at a reasonable price, with or without the burnisher in the near future. Also, a motor that spins faster will overheat the leather and sort of burns the edges. You can slow a motor down with a pair of with a ratio of 1:2, but that requires an extra spindle to hold the burnisher. I know Ivan. He make belts. LOTS of belts and LOTS of other items. His experience and his burnisher came out of an evolution of trying other ways. I think this burnisher and a 1750 RPM motor along with the wax mixture is fantastic. Hope this helps. Bob Stelmack (*note: As with any tool that grinds metal, be sure to keep it well away from cased leather because the small ground particles cause black spots on the leather that cannot be removed.) Quote Bob Stelmack Desert Leathercraft LLC Former Editor of the, RawHide Gazette, for the Puget Sound Leather Artisans Co-Op, 25 years of doing it was enough...
Bree Posted October 31, 2008 Report Posted October 31, 2008 Bree,I believe if you use my burnisher in your high speed buffer you will burn it where you touch it, the blended wax will not work as designed, and the burnisher may self destruct. If it does not come apart at 3600 RPM and then you run it at its designed speed the area you burned will not burnish anymore and you will not be happy. Believe me I have put 100's of hour's into this burnisher. If you follow my instructions nothing comes close to working like it does NOTHING. When you run it over 1750 RPM my burnisher will not last long and will not work. In about 2 weeks I will have my own motors, made in the USA, and sell you one for $59.99. I should have photos this weekend on the 2 different set ups. I will Email them to you if you would like. I ask that you reconsider running my burnisher over its design speed. Thank You Ivan OK Ivan... The ball's in your court. I have the burnisher and two pieces of the special wax. I am NOT going to mount it on my 3500 rpm motor. I will wait to see what you come up with in an inexpensive 1750 rpm motor. I'm not in a great hurry as I have a huge amount of work to do for my IBM job right now. I want to do this right. BTW... Thanks for the FAST service!! Quote Ride Safe! Bree 2003 Dyna Wide Glide Memberships: Iron Butt Association, Niagara Falls HOG, Wild Fire HOG NRA, Niagara County Sportsman's Association
Members Ivan Posted November 1, 2008 Members Report Posted November 1, 2008 My new burnisher and motor is now on eBay. Thank You Ivan Quote
esantoro Posted November 1, 2008 Report Posted November 1, 2008 My new burnisher and motor is now on eBay. Thank You Ivan Very nice looking burnisher, and it can be tucked out of the way easily. ed Quote http://www.waldenbags.com http://www.waldenbags.etsy.com
RustyMelton Posted November 6, 2008 Report Posted November 6, 2008 I ordered one of the burnishers with the motor monday, I can't wait to give it a try. Quote
Members sfcdan Posted November 10, 2008 Members Report Posted November 10, 2008 Ivan, I noticed your motor set-up, and reading the replies it sounds great. Do you have actual step by step pictures on how to work your gadget? still new here and learning, and deciding if I want to invest on it. thanks, Daniel. Quote
Members rharris Posted November 10, 2008 Members Report Posted November 10, 2008 Ivan I received my burnisher Saturday. Works great. Took about 5 minutes to burnish a set of reins that normally takes 30 minutes using my old method and did a much better job. Thanks RussH Quote
Bree Posted November 10, 2008 Report Posted November 10, 2008 I got my new motor and burnisher from Ivan. I mounted the motor to an MDF base. I am now mounting all my portable bench tools for leather to MDF bases 24"x 12" which fit my granite surface plate . The plate has a lip so I can clamp the MDF bases to the granite and have a very solid vibration-free base. My 96" workbench serves as the outfeed table for the leather I am working. The motor is a GE running at 1725 rpm. I think it is a great deal for that motor. I have to add an on-off switch inline but that isn't hard or expensive to do. The burnisher works great so far. I took a small section of belt to test it out. The burnisher performed very well. I used the wax as instructed and it gave me a nice dark burnish. I broke the rules and used a little water on a small section and I really liked that burnish... not as dark but very smooth and shiney. Don't tell Ivan!! I want to do a full size double layer belt with the wax as soon as I get some time. When I do, I will see if I can snap some PIX. I may be able to do that next weekend. I am swamped with work from my IBM job and it's paying me a lot of money so you have to make hay while the sun is shining!! Quote Ride Safe! Bree 2003 Dyna Wide Glide Memberships: Iron Butt Association, Niagara Falls HOG, Wild Fire HOG NRA, Niagara County Sportsman's Association
Members Rayban Posted November 10, 2008 Members Report Posted November 10, 2008 Bree, better do that groove with the screw-driver shaft too, or else Ivan will make you stay after school. I sent him a picture of mine after setting it up and trying out like you did, and he noticed right away I was breaking the rules,,,,he let me know it.....so chop chop... Quote Raybanwww.rgleather.net
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