Rust Under Paint` Remove Decor Or Keep

[stropping]

Hey Bill great info man thanks,It always makes the restoration if I decide to go a head with it much easier to deal with when people give over there knowledge and Techniques they learnt over time,Many people will benefit from every ones input here,

And a big thank`s again leather worker for photos and info on the decor looks pretty good to me,

Bill as the decor on the base of the sewing machine is a decent size the Micro Sol as well as breaking the water service you state it softens the transfer slightly this wont distort the transfer will it ?

And the other question to those who have the info, the top clear coat going on the paint would need to be tough enough to with stand machine lubricant oil going on it from time to time but would not be to high in solvent to attack the transfers,I would be thinking of plasticcoat clear spray may be any recommendations please,

Edited January 25, 2015 by stropping

[stropping]

Owe ye` There was a product I read about for pitted metal, as we all know when coating cast the dimples seam to get deeper the more coatings it has unless you keep rubbing the under coast down and do the same as the top coats,when I read about this product that you put on the cast first this does a better job at filling the pits,I am not sure if the person had to rub this product down once or not I cannot remember,any one know what this may of been please,

[billybopp]

The micro set only slightly softens, and is usually brushed onto the surface where the decal will go. I've never done decals as large as the ones you're looking at since I model in 1/72 for airplanes and 1/24 for cars. However, even some of those decals are reasonably large. Micro Sol probably would soften too much at application time, but does well after the decal is on and mostly dry.

Hope that helps,

Bill

[stropping]

ok ill keep that in mind thanks, I am swaying towards a full strip down as it might still give a nice look and no more worry about rust,

Edited January 25, 2015 by stropping

[Colt W Knight]

I have used some of their decals but not the 29k one yet.

There is an art to applying them and if you get it right they are brilliant. They will always look different to the original as the Singer top coat is no longer available and I would suggest medium gloss for industrials and high gloss for domestics.

Are sewing machine decals simply waterslide decals? I have had to deal with really old waterslide decals before restoring vintage guitars. They can be a real trick to do right, but like you say, when they are done right they look great.

[stropping]

Are sewing machine decals simply waterslide decals? I have had to deal with really old waterslide decals before restoring vintage guitars. They can be a real trick to do right, but like you say, when they are done right they look great.

Hi Colt yes they are well from what info I had read I should imagine so,if you read some of the replies people have written there are links that give tips on how to apply,there is a link about 7 sections up by leatherworker he post a link. you will see where these transfers are for sale and the description on applying,

[Tramps Leatherworking]

Stropping, what you are asking is a matter of personal taste --- I have two 90+ year old Singer treadles and all I did was give them a good cleaning and left them in their original condition. I think it gives them character, and I get a ton of compliments on the machines. I use them daily too, by the way...

[Colt W Knight]

Hi Colt yes they are well from what info I had read I should imagine so,if you read some of the replies people have written there are links that give tips on how to apply,there is a link about 7 sections up by leatherworker he post a link. you will see where these transfers are for sale and the description on applying,

I don't know how I missed the entire middle section of this thread.

[stropping]

Stropping, what you are asking is a matter of personal taste --- I have two 90+ year old Singer treadles and all I did was give them a good cleaning and left them in their original condition. I think it gives them character, and I get a ton of compliments on the machines. I use them daily too, by the way...

Yes but in the best interest of the machine what would be better ? If all machines cars and tools ect made out of metal was left to corrode and rust there would be no old stuff worth having,we would all have modern stuff and we all know how that is going,The thing is we like to leave vintage items in there current state because were told by antique dealers on tv it would of been worth more if you left it the way it was,but a lot of people would say, as long as they are usable and functioning correctly leave a lone it gives the person pleasure to look at, some thing that has still got all its history on it why take that away, and some people would say it looks tatty repaint,but what happens if every generation did the same me and you would not come across the old vintage stuff any more because it was not being prevented from rusting,I know that this is a little over the top but there`s some truth here,I don,t like to see good items perishing who does, and like you I don`t like to take away its history and its characteristics,Now I could say I like this the way it is so its mine and I will leave it this way,but If I wrote to singer and they told me we could restore your machine exactly the way it looked on the day and it would have the same paint job done exactly using the same paint and methods, and we have the original decor to go on at no cost to you ,would you for get about character and say go a head,I would.The thing is with this forum is for people to have there opinion and to help me make my mind up I don,t think there is a right or wrong way when it comes to the machine in question,like you say its down to personal taste,there`s reasons for and against here on both sides ,You know if there were no transfers to buy so I could not replace on the new paint job I would probably leave it,I think the decor gives it its vintage look,

Edited January 27, 2015 by stropping

[Tramps Leatherworking]

Yes but in the best interest of the machine what would be better ? If all machines cars and tools ect made out of metal was left to corrode and rust there would be no old stuff worth having,we would all have modern stuff and we all know how that is going,The thing is we like to leave vintage items in there current state because were told by antique dealers on tv it would of been worth more if you left it the way it was,but a lot of people would say, as long as they are usable and functioning correctly leave a lone it gives the person pleasure to look at, some thing that has still got all its history on it why take that away, and some people would say it looks tatty repaint,but what happens if every generation did the same me and you would not come across the old vintage stuff any more because it was not being prevented from rusting,I know that this is a little over the top but there`s some truth here,I don,t like to see good items perishing who does, and like you I don`t like to take away its history and its characteristics,Now I could say I like this the way it is so its mine and I will leave it this way,but If I wrote to singer and they told me we could restore your machine exactly the way it looked on the day and it would have the same paint job done exactly using the same paint and methods, and we have the original decor to go on at no cost to you ,would you for get about character and say go a head,I would.The thing is with this forum is for people to have there opinion and to help me make my mind up I don,t think there is a right or wrong way when it comes to the machine in question,like you say its down to personal taste,there`s reasons for and against here on both sides ,You know if there were no transfers to buy so I could not replace on the new paint job I would probably leave it,I think the decor gives it its vintage look,

You asked for opinions and you are receiving them, I don't think anyone would suggest that you just leave a classic machine of any kind to just rust away --- if the mechanical/structural integrity of the machine is at risk, then by all means I would restore it... The machines I have were very well taken care of and required only a good cleaning --- the sphinx decals are still in very good condition, although somewhat worn... Good Luck with your choice.