Constabulary Report post Posted February 1, 2015 I know the 214x1 (Sys 328) have different shaft sizes / diameters and I know they are for the Singer 45K Adler 4, 5, 104,104 and so forth. I also use them in My 133K3 (no problems in general) but the original needle for the 133K3 is the 216x1 regarding the Singer manual. I just noticed that the 214x1 (328) size 200 METWAR needles (Metwar is now Groz Beckert) do NOT touch the hook whereas the thinner SCHMETZ 180 + 160 DO slightly touch the hook. it´s probably because the needle is thinner and the scarf is closer to the hook therefore. It really is a tiny tiny bit but it is barely touching no matter what angle the needle has. Sound stupid but thats what going on! The hook of the 133K is of course a bit special as it is a rotating hook and not a oscillating hook and the tip is not as sharp as at the 45K type hooks f.i. and the 133K hook tip is much wider and has a flattened side facing towards the needle so the tip may need a bit more space. So I wonder if the 216x1 has a constant shaft size and therefore a deeper scarf. I never have owned / seen 216x1 needles so I honestly don´t know the difference between the two. I hope someone know more.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CowboyBob Report post Posted February 1, 2015 The only difference I can see is the scarf is shorter on the 216x1 than the 214x1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Really? I just thought its the other way around. I was hoping the 216x1 has a longer or deeper scarf because of the wider tip of the 133K hook. Hmmmmm... I once setup my 133K with the Metwar 200 needle as I needed it for heavier thread / thicker material but I think I´ll try some other needle sizes and brands that I have floating around here. Needle testing day today.... Edited February 1, 2015 by Constabulary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted February 1, 2015 Too bad - only the METWAR 200 is not rubbing must be a few mµ that the scarf is deeper. Bob - can you tell me if the 216x1 all have the same shaft diameter or is it the same as with the 214x1 (328)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CowboyBob Report post Posted February 1, 2015 Yes,same shaft diameter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted February 1, 2015 Just to be sure - all 216x1 needles sizes have the same shaft diameter? I ask because the diameter of the 214x1 varies as you surely know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damas Report post Posted January 11, 2022 Hello All, OK, back to an old thread. If I am not wrong, 214x2 is similar to 214x1 but with leather point (LR) Well I tried both in my 132K10 and it does not work with 214x2... The hook does not catch the needle thread. I did photos to compare, needles'top anatomy does not look similar at all Singer original on the right - It is shorter - playing with the needle bar height won't help Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damas Report post Posted January 11, 2022 Edit : I've redone my test because I realised that the Schmetz needle was not facing the hook... It was slightly turned (it probably moved when I secured the screw) and 214x2 needles are definitely working with 132K10 which is supposed to take 216x1 I have tested from 200 to 250 with success Smaller needles won't catch the thread but I guess this is normal, you're supposed to adjust hook/timing with such a difference in needle size. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eddo Report post Posted July 22 (edited) Late reply to this thread, but just an addition as I was here researching as other will ... if you put the proximal ends of the needles together- ie.the blunt ends, then the eyes will be level, which is all that matters for timing, regardless of extra point length, and surely scarf length matters little, only depth. Edited July 22 by eddo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
