Parts For A Singer 45K69

[Constabulary]

Pictures are always welcome since there is not much documentation for these nice old machines. Always good to see details :-)

[simran]

Evo160K

If you have one could you post a picture of a set of k25 feed dogs & presser foot? Anyone for that matter.

Thanks,

Constabulary, Simran

The part numbers for the K69 and K25 presser foot bars are the same. I believe the two machines feed differently though, so the presser feet are different.

For what it's worth, the shuttle race part numbers are the same also, 91451. The shuttles are different however as are the shuttle driver and feed raising cam.

I'm guessing the "jumping mechanism or gripping mechanism, whatever it's called" could be taken off the K69, the K25 type foot used with the K25 feed dog, and a proper fitting needle plate fabricated as necessary. Of course the shuttle driver feed raising cam would have to cooperate.

Simran, you might pop a K25 feed dog in your machine and see how things look. To change out your shuttle driver feed raising cam, shuttle and what ever else is required to convert to a K25 type, might cost more than it's worth. Recall I'm a novice talking, so check everything I've said.

[amuckart]

Looking at those pictures, it's not going to be able to take a '25 needle plate and probably won't take '25 feed dogs either. The needle plate on a '25 is curved and the casting on your machine under the needle plate is flat.

It's a very interesting machine, and it looks very complete, which is quite rare. If it were mine I would leave it as-is, use it to its strengths - it would probably be really good for sewing round the edges of case work - and get another cylinder arm machine.

Failing that, you could probably sell it to a collector for enough to buy a GA5.

[simran]

It is pretty much complete . . .and it is a nice machine. I doubt I'd go through the work involved to change it much. I would like to find a regular set of feed dogs that would fit. If I could do that I would have a small, flat plate made at the school.

After you see the pictures below you may agree that the basic pattern of the feed dogs are, if not the same very similar to that of the K25. The K69 feed dogs are definitely rounded on the bottom side.

See for yourself. I tried to get good enough pictures so you can read the numbers as well.

Edited April 2, 2015 by simran

[Evo160K]

Simran,

Here are pictures of my feed dogs, needle plates and feet. The larger plate and the larger foot I fabricated.

Those illustrated parts list I posted above will answer a lot of questions. You'll see some of the 45k dogs and plates are straight like your k69. I know the dogs will fit in your shuttle driver feed raising cam, not sure if they'll work in the k69 needle plates though.

Simran, what's preventing you from using the K69 like a K21 for instance now?

You may find this interesting, it explains the differences among the 45K series machines:

http://www.1stinfantrydivision.de//images/stories/PDF_Dateien/Singer%2045K%20Descriptions%20of%20Subclasses.pdf

As a side bar here, notice the way the smaller needle plate is shaped, some of it is higher than the other. I couldn't understand why the previous owner of the machine used the roller presser foot and the regular, smaller, presser foot together on that needle plate. Then yesterday I was reading about stirrup plates and saw they have a higher portion also, I suspect to help guide the stirrup smoothly past the needle. That got me to thinking maybe the previous owner who repaired athletic equipment (helmets, shoulder pads, curved items, etc.) may have fabricated that plate to work similar to a stirrup plate. If Simran doesn't mind, does anyone have a thought on that?

Edited April 2, 2015 by Evo160K

[Constabulary]

@ Evo160

I recently have found an application in an Adler 104 brochure where they use a presser foot in addition to a "fixed foot". I never thought of this but here is a picture. But I would assume the fixed foot is not touching the material. It seems to be slightly above the material. The fixed foot is for preventing the material to lift up when the needle is rising. But thats just a guess.

The brochure comes for the from the Duerkopp Adler Blog

http://sew24.blogspot.de/2012/02/vintage-leaflets-for-adler-sewing_23.html

[simran]

I studied up on the K21 a bit and it IS very similar to the K69; even the stitch length parameters are the same. I am pretty much convinced that a standard straight set of feed dogs will fit. Like you, I am also convinced that no needle plate will fit except the one that is on it. I do, however , think I can get the trade school here to make a plate that will work. That way I can reverse any modifications that are done and bring the machine back to original.

I could sell it and buy a Ga5-1 model of some type or other but for me it is all about having a cylinder arm machine on a treadle base. I don't want to seperate the two components at this late stage in history. To me that would be tragic.

Thanks all for walking me through this. now let's ssseeeee . . . . .

[Evo160K]

Simran,

Would you please keep us posted on your progress and result? Sure would like to know if it will work. That's good thinking to keep the original parts, so you can reverse and go back to the original.

Love that machine and stand, please think of me if you ever plan to part with it.

Regards.

@Constabulary,

Thanks for posting the picture. Did you see the picture of the Adler 104? where they were using two needles with the two roller feet? That setup must turn on a dime? (You probably know a dime is the smallest US coin in physical size.)

Edited April 3, 2015 by Evo160K

[Constabulary]

Al - sorry for not responding your Email. The 2 rollers are for sewing raised seams. The 2 needles are for decorative stitching.This must be something for the shoe industry or heavy duty upholstery. I`m sure Adler produced a wide range of sewing machine accessories for the shoe industry for several application one "simple human being" like us would not even think of.

[simran]

I used to have an Adler shoe patching machine. I loved that thing but didn't use it that much. I finally sold it and have regretted it ever since. A shoe patcher is one of this machines that does a job that, simply, nothing else can duplicate. If you've ever had one you almost can't do without one again. That Adler was a good one!

Al - sorry for not responding your Email. The 2 rollers are for sewing raised seams. The 2 needles are for decorative stitching.This must be something for the shoe industry or heavy duty upholstery. I`m sure Adler produced a wide range of sewing machine accessories for the shoe industry for several application one "simple human being" like us would not even think of.

Edited April 4, 2015 by simran