Treadle - Singer 45K, 133K And Other?

[Europeanleather]

Two machines I'm checking out is the singer 45k and the heavier duty singer 133k. I am looking for something that is like a luberto cub (hard to find) or tippman boss (hear it isn't too great). A sewing machine that is a manual or treadle type.

Will a singer 45k treadle be able to handle up to 6mm of leather as thing as 2 pieces of thin canvas and on the odd occasion 10-12mm of leather?

[Harrybodger]

I do not have a 45K but I do have a 133k and I have posted two films on Youtube to show its capability......just google Harry Rogers.....my 133k has a walking foot and can take around 10mm of leather under its foot and seems to chomp through it effortlessly. I also use it with lighter threads for sewing upholstery leather, like around the top of tote bags. One of my friends has a 45k and I know he can make up scythe covers from veg tan so its pretty tough, but I do not know much about its capability. Some people attach handles to their 133k machines to turn slowly. I have used a servo motor with reducing pulleys. I hope that helps. Harry

[Constabulary]

I have a 133K3 and once worked with a 45K1 (both drop feed). My 133K3 has about 14m foot lift and the 45k 12mm (as far as I remember the 45K). But they are both using the same foot lift lever so it´s just a question of how they are set up. The 45K has a bit more punch because it has a much much heavier balance wheel. Both are nice to work with.

LW member JIMI from Spain has a bunch of 45K´s and all have a treadle if I´m right. I´m sure he will jump in here when he is reading the 45K topic

----

Hey Harry - seems you found the way to the LW forum.

We were in touch a couple of times because of the 133K. You have sent the 132K manual and I have returned the 133K6 manual a bit later...

[Harrybodger]

Hello Constabulary great to see you here, and thanks for sharing your wonderful knowledge. Harry

[hyttogpine]

Hallo Europanleather

I myself have eyes on a Singer 45K25. Because of it has reverse.

I'm the newcomer, so I have to watch me steeps. But one of Harry Rogrs his videos, if I remember right, he was a litle bit sorry for the lack of reverse, on his babytank 133K. Same as Constanbulary

I like the 133K very much - nice large bobbing and rotary hook. Too bad it has no reverse but for the thick webbing It will work (hopefully)

No matter how much you earn, show sobriety when paying. It's effect the next who wish a sewing machine. By me, there is a seller (criminal but legal price demand) on 1.125 euro, at an 45K25.

Ok, it seems that he wash it first.

[Harrybodger]

Hi Yes no reverse on the 133k which is a shame, especially if sewing something where one cannot turn it around to stitch the other way, such as the top of a bag......its a little but important point in deciding which machine to go for.

[Constabulary]

Don´t know how much you want to spend and where you are located but how about a BUSMC / Pearson #6

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pearson-No-6-Harness-Leather-Industrial-Sewing-Machine-British-United-Shoe-Compa-/281576584968?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item418f45b708

Not cheap but you can use the head even w/o the treadle just for the case you are travelling.

Don´t what exactly you want to sew but maybe a Junker & Ruh SD28 could be an option

[jimi]

Hi There, what are you planning on sewing?? i think you are looking for something like a cowboy CB-4500. or like constabulary said, a pearson which is similar to a luberto. (not the smaller classic) or an adler 105 with needle feed. the 45k on a treadle will sew what goes under the foot (about 12mm) but it has no needle feed and will mark your leather underneath. check out this video.

[Europeanleather]

Canvas duffle bags, leather wallets and the occasional leather bags are what I'm stitching, mostly chrome tan leathers or canvas materials. Is there a way to prevent the 45k from scratching the underside of the leather?

Im interested in vintage manual machines because they seem less complicated to use, the singer 29k is perfect with its rotating feature but the needle and bobbin are too small. Are there any heavier duty singer 29k alternatives?

Junker and run machine looks like it is too heavy duty for what I'm doing. For shoes it looks perfect though.

[jimi]

Here are a couple of options. http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=61619&page=3

the other option is to use a worn feed dog and rub out the marks.I think chrome tan marks less than veg tan. for sewing wallets i reckon a walking foot machine would be better. i have done a few wallets using a pfaff 335 and they worked out very well. you can also do binding on them, so that could be a good option for the canvas bag??, but dont expect it to take 12mm thick leather!