Shoe Patchers?

[Constabulary]

Cannot tell much from these tiny pictures. It is just another very old patcher machine, most likely a 29-1 w/o thread regulator and over painted as it seems (no decals present). I personally would not buy a patcher this old except it is very cheap or in exceptional condition with original decals.

Its always the same with these patcher - check the stitch length! If you like it´s okay if not just don´t buy it.

I´d rather buy the Adler 30 you mentioned before.

[MG513]

It's a 29-4, don't know what a stitch regulator is but I will look it up, and it's off ebay so can't do anything about the picture size. Unfortunately th other guy still didn't give me a price on the Adler or I might have considered it... Thanks again!

[MG513]

http://www.bootmaker.com/29-4.pdf

JUST LOOKED IT UP! 29-4 does have a stitch regulator... $600. Thx for all the help. I know it probably was getting repetitive but I really do appreciate it. Just wanted to make the best decision I can!

[Constabulary]

thread regulator - not stitch regulator.

But the correct long nomenclature form the Singer manuals is TAKE-UP LEVER REGULATOR INDICATOR

It´s this little thing here:

There are 2 different types and the very very old patchers don´t even have one.

[MG513]

thread regulator - not stitch regulator.

But the correct long nomenclature form the Singer manuals is TAKE-UP LEVER REGULATOR INDICATOR

It´s this little thing here:

IMG_1870.JPG

There are 2 different types and the very very old patchers don´t even have one.

Well i just found out she was 4 hours away... My brother isnt willing to do the 8 hour trip with me so Im gonna have to pass on it. Its looking more like im getting and Adler but I dont like begging ppl to take my money and I just cant seem to get a flipping price out of this guy. Im tired of waiting lol.

Ok so I just tried to google it myself but all i kept finding is stuff about "stitch regulator". No thread regulator info or what its used for and why its important OR which singers (or Adlers) the darn thing comes on... Please tell me the difference between the 2? And why is it important?

EDIT: Just got a text from him. Says (the Adler) its set up for servo motor, but that he hasnt found the correct one yet. 650 no motor 750 with...

Im guessing I should probably ask him if it has this thread regulator while Im at it lol. Thanks so much

[Constabulary]

It was just a hint how to tell early 29 type machines from later ones by just seeing the picture. Personally I have not noticed a difference when adjusting the regulator. But it is probably because of what I`m using the machine for (I do not sew leather with it, just webbing and canvas). All Adler 30 have this regulator but it looks different.

You can find a 29K manual in this thread:

http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=57862&p=372012

should be interesting read for you.

[Wizcrafts]

The stitch regulators, whether on a Singer or Adler patcher, are for fine tuning the position of the knots. The German machines have the wafer hanging down that is plainly labeled Dick and Dorf: Thick and Thin. If the machine is sewing perfect knots in 4 ounces and a project comes along that is at the machine's limit of about 1/4 inch, one would change the position to Dorf, or Thick. This causes the take-up lever to be raised mechanically, pulling up more on the combined threads, raising the knots.

When I am sewing thin leather, I back off the thread regulator on my Singer patchers. They only need to engage enough to ensure that the top thread has enough tension to avoid being pierced by the needle and to form knots inside the leather. Operating with very little, or no extra take-up assist seems to lay down a much tighter top stitch.

It doesn't hurt to experiment with your thread regulators to get a feel of how they respond to different sewing jobs.

[MG513]

It was just a hint how to tell early 29 type machines from later ones by just seeing the picture. Personally I have not noticed a difference when adjusting the regulator. But it is probably because of what I`m using the machine for (I do not sew leather with it, just webbing and canvas). All Adler 30 have this regulator but it looks different.

You can find a 29K manual in this thread:

http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=57862&p=372012

should be interesting read for you.

The stitch regulators, whether on a Singer or Adler patcher, are for fine tuning the position of the knots. The German machines have the wafer hanging down that is plainly labeled Dick and Dorf: Thick and Thin. If the machine is sewing perfect knots in 4 ounces and a project comes along that is at the machine's limit of about 1/4 inch, one would change the position to Dorf, or Thick. This causes the take-up lever to be raised mechanically, pulling up more on the combined threads, raising the knots.

When I am sewing thin leather, I back off the thread regulator on my Singer patchers. They only need to engage enough to ensure that the top thread has enough tension to avoid being pierced by the needle and to form knots inside the leather. Operating with very little, or no extra take-up assist seems to lay down a much tighter top stitch.

It doesn't hurt to experiment with your thread regulators to get a feel of how they respond to different sewing jobs.

Good morning, and thanks guys. That Adler i was looking at did not have the usual treadle stand, it had a stand similar to the Adler 30-10 which i wasnt expecting... I plan on using my patcher as a 2-in-1, a patch and a flat bed. I can barely seem to find tables for the Singer 29, and though they look very similar im not sure if I found the flat table it would even fit the Adler so Im passing on that too! I dont have the time (or patience) to try and figure out how to make a flat bed out of that Adler stand plus the potential cost of parts scares the crap out of me. Being forced to be patient here. But im glad, as I have learned so much and I will feel more prepared once I do finally get my machine! Thanks for that manual and the info on that regulator... Im about to read the manual now..

ALSO, what are the differences between the 29k and 29-4?? Is it simply just a newer machine?? Thanks

[Constabulary]

ALSO, what are the differences between the 29k and 29-4?? Is it simply just a newer machine?? Thanks

There are so many sub classes of the 29 / 29K but basically the 29 (w/o suffix) were made in the US and 29K all came from Kilbowie, Scotland.

I´m not 100% about he the US made Singer 29´s but I have a list of subclasses of the 29K but not sure if it is complete. I some cases the 29´s have D suffix - these machines were made in Wittenberge, Germany before 1945. But I don´t think there are many of them in the US.

The difference are sometimes just the position of the fly wheel, the presence of an oil / wax cup or if it has a flatbed attachment or not or juts a combination of the mentioned.

As far as I know - with the 29K51 Singer introduced the helical presser foot spring in side the head (instead of the long blade spring on the backside) and afaik with the subclass 58 or 60 they have introduced the removable gear box - both remained for all later models. And sith subclass 62 they have introduced the new thread regulator.

If I´m wrong please someone correct me (29K´s are a bit confusing for me).

If you want to find out the age of an 29K check out the serial number and check the ISMACS comparison list

http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/serial-numbers/singer-sewing-machine-serial-number-database.html

29K & 29U Subclass Listing

29- (class) Industrial Universal feed arm (rotates 360 degrees). Upper feed

only (MOST models). Arm lengths: short = 12 1/4", long = 17 1/2".

Hand or treadle powered. Horizontal oscillating shuttle. For patching boots and other Tubular Work

29K Arm 12 1/4" x 1", small bobbin.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K1 Arm 12 1/4" x 1", small bobbin. End Wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29-2 Arm 12 1/4" x 1", small bobbin. End wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K2 Arm 12 1/4" x 1", small bobbin, side wheel. For general work.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K3 Arm 12 1/4" x 1", small bobbin. For Waxed thread.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K4 Arm 12 1/4" x 1", small bobbin, side wheel. For waxed thread

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K5 Arm 12 1/4" x 1", small bobbin, end wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K6 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 1/8" x 1", small bobbin.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K7 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 1/8", small bobbin, side wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K8 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 1/8", small bobbin, end wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K9 Arm 12 1/4"x 1 1/8", small bobbin, side wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K10 Arm 12 1/4"x 1 1/8", small bobbin, end wheel, 5/16" long stitch.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K11 Narrow arm 12 1/4" x 1 1/8", small bobbin, side wheel, long stitch (5/16").

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K12 Narrow arm 12 1/4"x 1", small bobbin, end wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K13 Narrow arm 12 1/4"x 1", small bobbin, side wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K14 Narrow arm 12 1/4"x 1", small bobbin, end wheel; For waxed thread.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K15 Narrow arm 12 1/4"x 1", small bobbin, side wheel; For waxed thread.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K16 Narrow arm 12 1/4" x 1", small bobbin, end wheel,long stitch (5/16")

for worsted slipper work.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K17 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 1/8", small bobbin; end wheel. Upper & lower feeds.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K18 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 1/8", small bobbin, side wheel. Upper & lower feeds.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K19 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 1/8", small bobbin, end wheel, special needle bar.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K20 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 1/8", small bobbin, end wheel, special needle bar.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K21 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 1/8", small bobbin, side wheel, high lift.

29K22 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 1/8", small bobbin, end wheel, long stitch (5/16").

Upper & lower feeds for shoe binding.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K23 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 1/8", small bobbin, side wheel, long stitch (5/16").

Upper & lower feeds for shoe binding.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K30 Arm 17 1/2" x 1 5/32", large bobbin, end wheel; For waxed thread.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K31 Arm 17 1/2" x 1 5/32", large bobbin, side wheel; For waxed thread;.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K32 Arm 17 1/2" x 1 3/32", small bobbin. end wheel; For waxed thread;

For sewing in smaller spaces than 29K30.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K33 Arm 17 1/2" x 1 3/32", small bobbin, side wheel; For waxed thread;

For sewing in smaller spaces than 29K30.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K51 Oscillating horizontal shuttle. Helical presser foot spring.

Arm 12 1/4"x 1 1/8", small bobbin, side wheel. For boot and shoe repairing.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K52 Arm 12 1/4"x 1 1/8", small bobbin, side wheel, long stitch (5/16").

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K53 Oscillating horizontal shuttle. Helical presser foot spring.

Arm 12 1/4"x 1" (narrow); small bobbin, side wheel. For boot and shoe repairing.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K54 Arm 12 1/4"x 1 1/8", small bobbin, side wheel, long stitch (5/16")

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K55 Oscillating horizontal shuttle. Helical presser foot spring.

Arm 17 1/2" x 1 5/32" (long), large bobbin, side wheel.

For boot and shoe repairing (waxed thread).

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K56 Oscillating horizontal shuttle. Helical presser foot spring.

Arm 12 1/4" x 1 3/32"(narrow), small bobbin, side wheel.

For boot and shoe repairing (waxed thread).

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K57 Small bobbin

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K58 Arm 12 1/4" x 1", small bobbin, end wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K60 Arm 17 1/2" x 1 5/32", large bobbin, end wheel.

Max. speed 500 SPM. Used extensively for repair work and also in the

manufacture of a wide range of tubular articles such as, canvas hose,

golf bags, automobile tool bags, artificial limbs and other miscellaneous work.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K62 Arm 17 1/2" x 1", small bobbin, side wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K70 Oscillating horizontal shuttle. Helical presser foot spring.

Arm 12 1/4" x 1", small bobbin, end wheel. Max. stitch length 5 SPI.

For boot and shoe repairing.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K71 Oscillating horizontal shuttle. Helical presser foot spring.

Arm 12 1/4" x 1" x 7/8" (narrow), small bobbin, side wheel. For

boot and shoe repairing.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K72 Oscillating horizontal shuttle. Helical presser foot spring.

Arm 17 1/2" x 1 5/32", large bobbin, side wheel. For boot

and shoe repairing.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K73 Oscillating horizontal shuttle. Helical presser foot spring.

Arm 17 1/2" x 1 x 7/8", small bobbin, side wheel. For boot and

shoe repairing.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K171 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 5/32", large bobbin, end wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29U171 Arm 12 1/4" x 1 5/32", large bobbin, end wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29U171A Arm 12 1/4" x 1", small bobbin, end wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K172 Large bobbin

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29U172 Large bobbin

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29U172A Arm 17 1/2" x 1 5/32", large bobbin, end wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29K173 Small bobbin.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29U173 Small bobbin.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

29U173A Arm 17 1/2"x1", small bobbin, end wheel.

Needle 29x3 (leather), 29x4 (cloth)

Edited September 21, 2015 by Constabulary

[jeffss]

i have a Adler 30-70 in like new shape , $2.900 . We are a dealer in Canada and new to the site you can click on our add banner that just started on the site and view all our used equipment .Could probably pack and ship to your doorstep for extra $300 . Thanks

[shoepatcher]

What is the name of your company?

glenn

[jeffss]

Simard Ltd , we are an Adler dealer for Canada and also sell the Global line of sewing machines . Glenn we also do alot of used sewing machine biz . Jeff

[MG513]

I will check out those models, thanks so much!

And I appreciate it jeffss, but you are way out of my price range. You say you sell global though? I'm interested in finding out if I could potentially get a sidewall stitcher from you in the future! Thanks!

[Sovran81]

thread regulator - not stitch regulator.

But the correct long nomenclature form the Singer manuals is TAKE-UP LEVER REGULATOR INDICATOR

It´s this little thing here:

IMG_1870.JPG

There are 2 different types and the very very old patchers don´t even have one.

How is the take up lever regulator indicator mounted? This is a piece my 58 is missing. There are no threads on the bore of the needle bar actuating arm and the actuating plunger(?) is slotted all the way to the end. It doesnt look like a piece broke off, but it might be. The parts manual shows 2 different regulators one of which is NLA.

[Constabulary]

Either type has a thread. Here is a picture of the later type.

The earlier type is just a screw with counter thumb nut (kind of).

https://www.college-sewing.co.uk/82166-THREAD-TAKE-UP-ADJ-ASSY-SINGER-29K

MAYBE your 29K58 has a spare part from an Adler 30 - not sure if that fits at all but the Adler regulators have no thread.

Post some pictures of your machine please.

[MG513]

My 29-4 should finally be ready at the end of the month... From my research it seems this model does not have this feature... I will check this out closely once Im actually in front of the machine though.

And i agree with constabulary, would like to see some pics too!

[Sovran81]

Constabulary, Thank you that confirms I need a new plunger also as there is no boss for the female threads. I am getting closer. The feed dog has been shimmed with a SS shim. It ready to make big stitches again.