mikesc Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) Researching ( after reading this thread here ) "waxed cotton"..( actually I was researching "coton ciré", which in French usually means cotton impregnated with linseed oil rather than wax ) I came across this, which mentions puckering, and possible reasons / solutions for it.http://www.ventile.co.uk/specification.htmlx it was linked to from a French forum thread http://forum.davidmanise.com/index.php?topic=42391.0 that was discussing waterproofing and wicking properties of various textiles "natural" and "man made", ( including recycling old military tents amongst other things, for outdoor wear.. Edited May 22, 2016 by mikesc Quote "Don't you know that women are the only works of Art" .. ( Don Henley and "some French painter in a field" )
Members gottaknow Posted May 22, 2016 Members Report Posted May 22, 2016 1 minute ago, mikesc said: Researching ( after reading this thread here ) "waxed cotton"..( actually I was researching "coton ciré", which in French usually means cotton impregnated with linseed oil rather than wax ) I came across thishttp://www.ventile.co.uk/specification.htmlx it was linked to from a French forum thread http://forum.davidmanise.com/index.php?topic=42391.0 that was discussing waterproofing and wicking properties of various textiles "natural" and "man made", ( including recycling old military tents amongst other things, for outdoor wear.. Ours is paraffin wax and oil. We provide a can of it for renewing the fabric and seam sealing. Truly an amazing fabric. Once the jacket is broke in, they are super supple and comfortable. Combined with a flannel liner they are surprisingly warm and waterproof. Regards, Eric Quote
mikesc Posted May 22, 2016 Report Posted May 22, 2016 Quote Ours is paraffin wax and oil Presumably an oil with a siccative ( drying action ) . That still keeps the soft touch of the textile. re warmth and waterproofing..Yes..:) I remember reading that contrary to popular opinion, the choices of textiles and methods of treatment and construction of garments and textiles and objects that would be considered "traditional" and "low tech" actually work better than many synthetics in a lot of applications..I know that in military clothing and hunter's clothing, the natural fibres ( with treatments such as wax and oil etc ) are warmer, more supple and importantly silent or at least very quiet, than their hundred percent waterproof synthetic competitors..and the natural fibres are so much more comfortable to wear.. A lot of "natural textiles" and "leathers" are ( IMO ) just as "hi-tech" ( if not even more hi-tech, when one thinks about what goes into their production, the knowledge and the techniques used to make them and then construct the garments or items ) than the "modern" synthetics that most people would think of as being "hi-tech"..We stand ( and sew ) upon the shoulders of some very intelligent and creative people.. Quote "Don't you know that women are the only works of Art" .. ( Don Henley and "some French painter in a field" )
Members gottaknow Posted May 22, 2016 Members Report Posted May 22, 2016 49 minutes ago, mikesc said: Presumably an oil with a siccative ( drying action ) . That still keeps the soft touch of the textile. re warmth and waterproofing..Yes..:) I remember reading that contrary to popular opinion, the choices of textiles and methods of treatment and construction of garments and textiles and objects that would be considered "traditional" and "low tech" actually work better than many synthetics in a lot of applications..I know that in military clothing and hunter's clothing, the natural fibres ( with treatments such as wax and oil etc ) are warmer, more supple and importantly silent or at least very quiet, than their hundred percent waterproof synthetic competitors..and the natural fibres are so much more comfortable to wear.. A lot of "natural textiles" and "leathers" are ( IMO ) just as "hi-tech" ( if not even more hi-tech, when one thinks about what goes into their production, the knowledge and the techniques used to make them and then construct the garments or items ) than the "modern" synthetics that most people would think of as being "hi-tech"..We stand ( and sew ) upon the shoulders of some very intelligent and creative people.. That is very true. Our company has been around since the late 1800's. The waxed canvas we use isn't far from the original. It was designed for miners and loggers working in the rainy northwest. Gore Tex is nice for a lot of active sportswear applications, but if you get it muddy, it will leak like a sieve. It offers little abrasion resistance as well. With waxed canvas, you can hose it off, scrub it with a brush and re-wax it. We use high quality Wickett and Craig veg tanned bridal leather for our luggage, combining it with waxed canvas or heavy cotton twill. Our duffle bags are amazing. Our loyal customers want time tested products that don't fail under heavy use and stress. As you said, many of our techniques are over a hundred years old simply because there's nothing better. Regards, Eric Quote
Members georgeandgracie Posted May 23, 2016 Author Members Report Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) Eric, your comments about thread piqued my interest. I am not using cotton-wrapped polyester. My thread is all-polyester and bonded; it comes from The Thread Exchange because I can buy small quantities there, and that is the only choice they seem to offer. Because I am not making garments, I would deduce that the all-polyester is not a wear problem, but do you suppose it could be exacerbating the puckering problem? If so, what thread should I try to find to replace it? I have not yet found a Singer 211G157 for sale. Ralph's Power Sewing in Denver has some sort of 212 - a double needle machine. Can a double needle machine be operated with just one needle? Edited May 23, 2016 by georgeandgracie Quote
Members gottaknow Posted May 23, 2016 Members Report Posted May 23, 2016 Bonded poly is better than nylon for puckering. I don't think I caught what you were making with the waxed canvas. That will make a difference in the size and type of thread you're using. You can use a double needle by removing one needle, usually the left one. The 212 is the two needle version of the 211. I'd hold out for a reverse if you can. I'm going to sew up some samples and photograph them for you here so you can see for yourself. Regards, Eric Quote
Members georgeandgracie Posted May 23, 2016 Author Members Report Posted May 23, 2016 I am making tool rolls for woodworkers, shop aprons, and ditty bags. with 8.25 and 10.25 ounce waxed canvas. Occasionally I will make something with heavier canvas. Etsy shop: camprobber.etsy.com. Guess I'd better get back with Ralph's and ask about that 212. You don't want to sell one of your Singer 211G157 machines, do you, Eric? (I bet I know the answer!!) Quote
Members gottaknow Posted May 23, 2016 Members Report Posted May 23, 2016 I'll check out your store when I get to my home computer! I really wouldn't use a double needle unless you want to use it for that purpose. My 211's are the backups for my Juki 9010A's. I do have a lot of 211W151's that don't have a reverse, and those are everywhere around the country. I'd still hold out for a single needle with reverse. I'll look at your products and see if I can come with other ideas for you. Regards, Eric Quote
Members gottaknow Posted May 24, 2016 Members Report Posted May 24, 2016 Great looking etsy shop! Looking at your product lineup, I think holding out for a needle feed with reverse would serve you well. Again, great looking stuff! Regards, Eric Quote
Members georgeandgracie Posted May 24, 2016 Author Members Report Posted May 24, 2016 Aww, thank you so much, Eric! (Can I come work for Filson now? ) Other than Ralph's Power Sewing in Denver, are there some likely sources for the Singer 211G157? Quote
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