mixmkr Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) As title suggests, without breaking the bank...looking for the next step up. Obviously used would be nice to try and locate, but I'm "researched out" as far as models to look for. I also have a JUKI LU562 which is running great for my straight stitches. No leather work ( but I really enjoy this forum), but marine canvas and sail work. edit...btw I just need the head as I have tables, motors, etc. But of course would be interested in the whole shootin' match, if that's how one becomes available. Edited December 13, 2016 by mixmkr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brmax Report post Posted December 13, 2016 I'm not sure I'm pickin up what your looking for but glad to help, so anyway is it another flatbed with reverse or ? maybe a cylinder setup. And I'm just asking not sure whats in the classified listings below And welcome to the site. Floyd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brmax Report post Posted December 13, 2016 I guess I should have ask, step up as in 3 point for the zig zag and if interested in a thumper or some lighter sail work. I could be interested in these http://www.cowboysew.com/product4.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mixmkr Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) thx brmax... larger throat area and yes...a 3 point zig would be great. I'm finding repairing larger sails, the 107 just barely fits the need and like it's on the edge. Higher presser foot... you know...all the "wants" It seems like the jump after the 107 is in the $2k range (for used). But I'm not sure if that's correct. Be nice to stay under that. Crazy that I see 107 going for close to $800 much of the time. edit... oh yeah...reverse would be a dream, as I'm not flipping these 40ft sails around like a blanket. I just generally lift the presser foot and go back an inch....or hold the material and do some "embroidery" Edited December 13, 2016 by mixmkr add more content Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mixmkr Report post Posted December 13, 2016 the Cowboy (hightex?) 9366-12 would be great, but have no idea of the pricing and where to get and even see. I NEVER see a used one of those or similar (in that brand) it seems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uwe Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) Industrial zig-zag is not going to be cheap, I'm afraid. Long-arm industrial zig-zag is even more expensive. If you're in the mood for serious vintage iron, I have a few zig-zag machines that qualify as a step up from your Singer 107w1. I'm not sure these would actually do well with sails, they seem more like the elephant-carrying harness type. One is a Singer 47K with a HUGE hook and bobbin. The other is a Singer 6KSV9 (by far the most heavy duty zig-zag I've ever seen). Edited December 13, 2016 by Uwe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brmax Report post Posted December 13, 2016 Uwe, can you explain what stitch type is available with these machines. Single or multi step / point, I am curious but have no reference. thanks Floyd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mixmkr Report post Posted December 13, 2016 Singer Tanks!! What size stitch will those do? When you say "expensive"... how many happy meals do I need to pass on?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gregg From Keystone Sewing Report post Posted December 13, 2016 1 hour ago, mixmkr said: Singer Tanks!! What size stitch will those do? When you say "expensive"... how many happy meals do I need to pass on?? Mixmkr, Check out a machine I have, not inexpensive, but certainly an upgrade over the 107W1, but the same sewing capacity, check out the correct location for this machine, I'll post it on this MB under the for Sale, Machinery -- Sewing and Stitching, New and Refurbished to Like New Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trash treasure Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) We had a Pfaff 438 at one point : http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/121893113922?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true A lovely machine - More arm space, wider zig zag throw, and reverse, but if I were to be honest, I'd say that it really didn't have a better stitch quality than the 107 we have. Pfaff = Expensive parts, though ........ Edited December 13, 2016 by trash treasure Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mixmkr Report post Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) thanks Gregg and Trash... The Alder is out of the budget for sure, as I don't do enough zigging to warrant the purchase. Plus I'm not sure it would grunt thru some of the sail corners I'm currently hand stitching, which were obviously machined when new. I"d also have to wire in some 220 into my work area, not that that is s show stopper...but.... The Pfaff looks nice too. The deal with my Singer is that it sews just fine, but I'm trying to educate (and maybe purchase!) what the next level is. Seems it's the long arm, but still a walking foot and needle feed with enough presser foot lift for my sail corners. The Singer zips along in the sail middle areas and along the seams, but for some reason I can't get it to like Tenara thread, which my JUKI does just fine with. And the throat is a little challenging with some of the really stiff reinforced sail corners. No biggie I guess as some 138 UVR Dacron works fine and the sails aren't left out in the sun, unlike the rest of the boat canvas work and I just grunt the sail around to get to where I need to be. Reverse is in the list for the next machine though.. Sailrite has one (hope that's not a curse word around here), that by changing the cam, goes from two to four point zig and it's in the $2k price for the head. I was just looking for some used, dependable warriors that were Sailrite's competition at that level. Obviously, you look at truly pro sail lofts and they've got the good stuff, but I'm repairing and not making new and getting up around $5k opens up a new world of choices, but I'd rather get a new JUKI straight or a long arm straight stitch AND the Sailrite zig...if I were spending that kind of money.......I think! Sailrite pro... http://www.sailrite.com/Sailrite-Professional-Walking-Foot-ZigZag-Commercial-Sewing-Machine Edited December 13, 2016 by mixmkr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trash treasure Report post Posted December 13, 2016 If you're going to be working with large enough sails to need 138 for seaming, then you should look for something with a BIG bobbin, whatever you get - Zig zag uses it up fast, and you'll be constantly changing bobbins in the middle of seams otherwise. And unlike some leather work, you can't just get away with lighter thread in the bobbin, for sailmaking ;~) We have used V92 in the 107, but usually just sew with 69 in it, as we mostly sew smaller sails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uwe Report post Posted December 14, 2016 I don't really know a whole lot about my monster zig-zag Singers other than how insanely heavy they are and that I survived moving them in 100˚F weather. Both do a plain two-point zig-zag as far as I can tell just by turning them over. Gregg's Adler machine is what you really need, you just haven't come to terms with it yet . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gregg From Keystone Sewing Report post Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) It's funny, after reading 10 minutes ago, Uwe said: I don't really know a whole lot about my monster zig-zag Singers other than how insanely heavy they are and that I survived moving them in 100˚F weather. Both do a plain two-point zig-zag as far as I can tell just by turning them over. Gregg's Adler machine is what you really need, you just haven't come to terms with it yet . I was looking up information about a Singer 122-1, an absolute beast zig zag from Singer mfg. and flat out forgot that I posted about it on a thread here on Leatherworker.net Edited December 14, 2016 by Gregg From Keystone Sewing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trash treasure Report post Posted December 14, 2016 33 minutes ago, Gregg From Keystone Sewing said: Singer 122-1, an absolute beast zig zag I had to go look that one up : No one in their right mind really needs this machine ............No Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gregg From Keystone Sewing Report post Posted December 14, 2016 11 hours ago, trash treasure said: I had to go look that one up : No one in their right mind really needs this machine ............No People have to see this machine to believe it; Machine head is 300LBS, throw of needle is 1" to each side of center. Check out the parts charts, the hook saddle, that's huge, shifts side to side as the machine operates. It's really interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trash treasure Report post Posted December 14, 2016 4 hours ago, Gregg From Keystone Sewing said: People have to see this machine to believe it; Machine head is 300LBS, throw of needle is 1" to each side of center. Check out the parts charts, the hook saddle, that's huge, shifts side to side as the machine operates. It's really interesting. From the picture, it looks like the needle bar stays vertical, and shifts back and forth on those rails, following the shuttle . I'd love to see one in action - Must be like watching a locomotive :~) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billybopp Report post Posted December 14, 2016 11 minutes ago, trash treasure said: From the picture, it looks like the needle bar stays vertical, and shifts back and forth on those rails, following the shuttle . I'd love to see one in action - Must be like watching a locomotive :~) I was thinking the same thing ... It would be fascinating to see one in action, moving slowly to see what's going on and also at full speed. There's so much exposed mechanism on this one to watch! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yetibelle Report post Posted December 16, 2016 On 12/13/2016 at 8:32 PM, trash treasure said: I had to go look that one up : No one in their right mind really needs this machine ............No HEY NOW - I need EVERY Machine....I have issues....don't judge me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trash treasure Report post Posted December 17, 2016 7 hours ago, Yetibelle said: HEY NOW - I need EVERY Machine....I have issues....don't judge me. Ha ! I just knew I'd spark controversy with that :~) Seriously, I feel your inner torment - I'm in the middle of restoring an Adler 20, so I am no one to talk ............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
