Step up from Singer 107w1

[mixmkr]

thanks Gregg and Trash...

The Alder is out of the budget for sure, as I don't do enough zigging to warrant the purchase.  Plus I'm not sure it would grunt thru some of the sail corners I'm currently hand stitching, which were obviously machined when new. I"d also have to wire in some 220 into my work area, not that that is s show stopper...but....    
 The Pfaff looks nice too.

The deal with my Singer is that it sews just fine, but I'm trying to educate (and maybe purchase!) what the next level is.  Seems it's the long arm, but still a walking foot and needle feed with enough presser foot lift for my sail corners.  The Singer zips along in the sail middle areas and along the seams, but for some reason I can't get it to like Tenara thread, which my JUKI does just fine with. And the throat is a little challenging with some of the really stiff reinforced sail corners.  No biggie I guess as some 138 UVR Dacron works fine and the sails aren't left out in the sun, unlike the rest of the boat canvas work and I just grunt the sail around to get to where I need to be.  Reverse is in the list for the next machine though..

Sailrite has one (hope that's not a curse word around here), that by changing the cam, goes from two to four point zig and it's in the $2k price for the head.  I was just looking for some used, dependable warriors that were Sailrite's competition at that level.
Obviously, you look at truly pro sail lofts and they've got the good stuff, but I'm repairing and not making new and getting up around $5k opens up a new world of choices, but I'd rather get a new JUKI straight or a long arm straight stitch AND the Sailrite zig...if I were spending that kind of money.......I think!

 

Sailrite pro... http://www.sailrite.com/Sailrite-Professional-Walking-Foot-ZigZag-Commercial-Sewing-Machine

Edited December 13, 2016 by mixmkr

[trash treasure]

If you're going to be working with large enough sails to need 138 for seaming, then you should look for something with a BIG bobbin, whatever you get - Zig zag uses it up fast, and you'll be constantly changing bobbins in the middle of seams otherwise. And unlike some leather work, you can't just get away with lighter thread in the bobbin, for sailmaking ;~)

We have used V92 in the 107, but usually just sew with 69 in it, as we mostly sew smaller sails.

[Uwe]

I don't really know a whole lot about my monster zig-zag Singers other than how insanely heavy they are and that I survived moving them in 100˚F weather. Both do a plain two-point zig-zag as far as I can tell just by turning them over.

Gregg's Adler machine is what you really need, you just haven't come to terms with it yet .

[Gregg From Keystone Sewing]

It's funny, after reading

10 minutes ago, Uwe said:

I don't really know a whole lot about my monster zig-zag Singers other than how insanely heavy they are and that I survived moving them in 100˚F weather. Both do a plain two-point zig-zag as far as I can tell just by turning them over.

Gregg's Adler machine is what you really need, you just haven't come to terms with it yet .

I was looking up information about a Singer 122-1, an absolute beast zig zag from Singer mfg. and flat out forgot that I posted about it on a thread here on Leatherworker.net

Edited December 14, 2016 by Gregg From Keystone Sewing

[trash treasure]

33 minutes ago, Gregg From Keystone Sewing said:

Singer 122-1, an absolute beast zig zag

I had to go look that one up :

No one in their right mind really needs this machine ............No

[Gregg From Keystone Sewing]

11 hours ago, trash treasure said:

I had to go look that one up :

No one in their right mind really needs this machine ............No

People have to see this machine to believe it; 

Machine head is 300LBS, throw of needle is 1" to each side of center.  Check out the parts charts, the hook saddle, that's huge, shifts side to side as the machine operates.  It's really interesting.

[trash treasure]

4 hours ago, Gregg From Keystone Sewing said:

People have to see this machine to believe it; 

Machine head is 300LBS, throw of needle is 1" to each side of center.  Check out the parts charts, the hook saddle, that's huge, shifts side to side as the machine operates.  It's really interesting.

From the picture, it looks like the needle bar stays vertical, and shifts back and forth on those rails, following the shuttle .

I'd love to see one in action - Must be like watching a locomotive :~)

[billybopp]

11 minutes ago, trash treasure said:

From the picture, it looks like the needle bar stays vertical, and shifts back and forth on those rails, following the shuttle .

I'd love to see one in action - Must be like watching a locomotive :~)

I was thinking the same thing ... It would be fascinating to see one in action, moving slowly to see what's going on and also at full speed.  There's so much exposed mechanism on this one to watch! 

[Yetibelle]

On ‎12‎/‎13‎/‎2016 at 8:32 PM, trash treasure said:

I had to go look that one up :

No one in their right mind really needs this machine ............No

HEY NOW - I need EVERY Machine....I have issues....don't judge me. 

[trash treasure]

7 hours ago, Yetibelle said:

HEY NOW - I need EVERY Machine....I have issues....don't judge me. 

Ha !  I just knew I'd spark controversy with that :~)

Seriously, I feel your inner torment - I'm in the middle of restoring an Adler 20, so I am no one to talk .............