Shop made burnishers for Dremel ~ Ltd. Ed.

[Thornton]

Grumpyold, 

why don't you post what you charge for your products and let us tell you they cost to much.

[grumpyold]

31 minutes ago, Thornton said:

Grumpyold, 

why don't you post what you charge for your products and let us tell you they cost to much.

Well that's going to be a little hard to do because this is a hobby and I don't sell anything. If some one takes a shine to something I've made they can have it.
But if you want to buy a heifer or steer.... market price.
Maybe you should be asking slipangle if after using this site to sell $144 of his product whether he pushed the donate button as a form of thanks for using the site for free marketing. 
Maybe some posters on this site should be reviewing the terms of use for the site, 'cause I don't recall anything that said "Feel free to market your business or products on our dime."

Edited April 1, 2017 by grumpyold

[slipangle]

Well,

...better check your facts. There is a whole sub section of this site called "marketplace" , devoted to selling all manner of things. Open to all members. Currently, it has over 11,000 posts. Folks selling anything from books to leather goods, services, machines and hand tools. 

The terms of use of the marketplace are clear. Read them . I have. This is my first for sale post this year. 

Its quite clear you don't think my tools listed here are worth what I'm asking for them. Point taken. 

I notice it doesn't say "contributing member" below your user name either.  So it couldnt very well be your dime, could it? 

 

 

Edited April 2, 2017 by slipangle

[slipangle]

I'm hesitant to further engage as you seem to be real upset for some reason, but I'll only add that I am a leather worker too. But I'm not that good at it so I haven't as yet posted any of the things I've made in the show off section.  Matter of fact I just made my first holster. But it didn't come out that well so I wouldn't show it off. Maybe I will the next one. 

I'm not that proud of my leather work, so far. But I think I can make a pretty fair tool. I started out making my first awl haft for my own use. And my first burnisher. Then figured that maybe some fellow members on this forum might be interested in owning a hand made tool, so posted some here. And sell one or two now and again. If you think this is some business venture with which I'm flooding the forum only for my own gain, guess again. I'll bet I average about five bucks an hour on my awl hafts. Probably less. I put a lot into them. And ain't doing it for the money. As a retired person, it adds a little pocket money so I can buy a side now and again, or something else. 

Im not sure why you have such an axe to grind on this. I'm doing my best to maintain a civil tongue. But your ranting , though your every right I guess, is getting old.  And annoying.

All these burnishers are sold, so I'll move on.

Edited April 2, 2017 by slipangle

[Sceaden]

If you ever make more of these beautiful burnishers I would love to see them. Funds are a little tight at the moment so I hesitated and now they are gone. $36 is a very reasonable price for the nature of the product and I love seeing tools and supplies for sale on this forum so I can purchase from another craftsman. 

Edited April 2, 2017 by Sceaden

[bikermutt07]

10 hours ago, slipangle said:

I'm hesitant to further engage as you seem to be real upset for some reason, but I'll only add that I am a leather worker too. But I'm not that good at it so I haven't as yet posted any of the things I've made in the show off section.  Matter of fact I just made my first holster. But it didn't come out that well so I wouldn't show it off. Maybe I will the next one. 

I'm not that proud of my leather work, so far. But I think I can make a pretty fair tool. I started out making my first awl haft for my own use. And my first burnisher. Then figured that maybe some fellow members on this forum might be interested in owning a hand made tool, so posted some here. And sell one or two now and again. If you think this is some business venture with which I'm flooding the forum only for my own gain, guess again. I'll bet I average about five bucks an hour on my awl hafts. Probably less. I put a lot into them. And ain't doing it for the money. As a retired person, it adds a little pocket money so I can buy a side now and again, or something else. 

Im not sure why you have such an axe to grind on this. I'm doing my best to maintain a civil tongue. But your ranting , though your every right I guess, is getting old.  And annoying.

All these burnishers are sold, so I'll move on.

Please don't let this one experience sour you to the site.

 

[NVLeatherWorx]

13 hours ago, grumpyold said:

Well that's going to be a little hard to do because this is a hobby and I don't sell anything. If some one takes a shine to something I've made they can have it.
But if you want to buy a heifer or steer.... market price.
Maybe you should be asking slipangle if after using this site to sell $144 of his product whether he pushed the donate button as a form of thanks for using the site for free marketing. 
Maybe some posters on this site should be reviewing the terms of use for the site, 'cause I don't recall anything that said "Feel free to market your business or products on our dime."

No offense intended here grumpyold but if you aren't in the business of making money from the leather goods, or associated items, that you make you should not be commenting on the products and pricing of those who do.  That is kind of like giving a review of a product that you actually never purchased or even used and hammering it the entire time; it just ain't right.  There are several of us who make money doing this at various levels and the first thing that came to mind when I saw your first post to tell you to butt out, but I held my tongue to see what others would say.  You are correct that this community is for the exchange of information and sharing of knowledge but it is also open to those who have things that they want to sell or buy as long as they follow the rules and conduct that business in the right place; we have seen several of these over time and that isn't about to change anytime soon.

We all know that materials cost different prices but for a person who actually has the refined skills and techniques to make a highly valuable and upscale version of an item is something that deserves to be rewarded so, if a person wants to just give things away for a couple bucks over cost or they are a with a higher skill set that produces quality works with high-quality materials they can charge what they think is fair.  The market will determine if the price is too high and, from this example, it appears that it was quite acceptable to many and they weren't opposed to paying for the skills and quality that went into the product.  I am sure that you may sell a wallet for around $15 to $20 whereas I will sell something similar for around $65+; my pricing is based on my materials (which don't come from low end suppliers) and the skill, expertise, and techniques that go into making it (over 40 years of experience in this trade) while balancing it with intelligent pricing strategies and I don't have any problems selling at this price because the quality of craftsmanship and materials is appreciated by those who become my clients.  Just the way business works and it always has.

I think it is only fair to say here that what a person sells their products for is not for anyone else to question or attempt to break down, especially if they aren't conducting business at the same level as those who are being "questioned" about their pricing.  Again, no intention to offend but there is a time and place for comments and yours was out of place here on this one.

[slipangle]

1 hour ago, bikermutt07 said:

Please don't let this one experience sour you to the site.

 

Nah,  It won't. Thanks Matt. 

[bikermutt07]

1 hour ago, slipangle said:

Nah,  It won't. Thanks Matt. 

So, how much is one of those awl handles? Haha.

[grumpyold]

3 hours ago, NVLeatherWorx said:

No offense intended here grumpyold but if you aren't in the business of making money from the leather goods, or associated items, that you make you should not be commenting on the products and pricing of those who do.  That is kind of like giving a review of a product that you actually never purchased or even used and hammering it the entire time; it just ain't right.  There are several of us who make money doing this at various levels and the first thing that came to mind when I saw your first post to tell you to butt out, but I held my tongue to see what others would say.  You are correct that this community is for the exchange of information and sharing of knowledge but it is also open to those who have things that they want to sell or buy as long as they follow the rules and conduct that business in the right place; we have seen several of these over time and that isn't about to change anytime soon.

We all know that materials cost different prices but for a person who actually has the refined skills and techniques to make a highly valuable and upscale version of an item is something that deserves to be rewarded so, if a person wants to just give things away for a couple bucks over cost or they are a with a higher skill set that produces quality works with high-quality materials they can charge what they think is fair.  The market will determine if the price is too high and, from this example, it appears that it was quite acceptable to many and they weren't opposed to paying for the skills and quality that went into the product.  I am sure that you may sell a wallet for around $15 to $20 whereas I will sell something similar for around $65+; my pricing is based on my materials (which don't come from low end suppliers) and the skill, expertise, and techniques that go into making it (over 40 years of experience in this trade) while balancing it with intelligent pricing strategies and I don't have any problems selling at this price because the quality of craftsmanship and materials is appreciated by those who become my clients.  Just the way business works and it always has.

I think it is only fair to say here that what a person sells their products for is not for anyone else to question or attempt to break down, especially if they aren't conducting business at the same level as those who are being "questioned" about their pricing.  Again, no intention to offend but there is a time and place for comments and yours was out of place here on this one.

I will fully admit that I did lose my cool and I’m sorry for that. If you review my first post, I will state that I could have done a better job of making my point, and it was not proper for me to question the price Slipangle felt would be fair and cover his expenses and time. It may have served me better if I would have posted that I’ve made these for my own use and here’s what I did and it may save others a few bucks. That said, I did when I originally posted, and still do truly believe anyone on this site can make something of this sort with simple hand tools. Would it be as well done, who knows, but I’m sure it would serve the purpose.
I think what set me off, and I’m not condoning my flip out, was that those who posted after my original post  seemed to feel that I had insulted, their product, or their abilities because they chose to purchase rather than make. That was not my intent and I think they read way more into my post then were there. A simple statement that they just didn’t believe they have the equipment to attempt something like this would have sufficed. I felt like because my grandfather, father and I have over the years collected a large amount of equipment to operate cattle farm, that I was being told that I had somehow  insulted others abilities and lack of equipment. My original post may have been badly thought out, and worded but I have no idea where that would have come from, and yes it set me off.
Once again sorry for, yes my rant, and any offence to other posters. When I posted I seemed to have ruffled some feathers I should have had the common sense to walk away.