TECH SEW 2750 PRO BINDING ATTACHMENT

[Appaloosa]

Hi Everyone!

I am 95% sure...  that I am ready to purchase a Tech Sew 2750 Pro to add to my sewing machine collection. I have read tons of reviews here re: different machines and I think the 2750 pro would be a good addition to my workshop. I primarily make handbags, purses, wallets, garments, jackets, vests and hats....and utilize tanned deer, elk, cow and buffalo hides....as well as different textiles. One of the important factors to not only getting the cylinder arm machine is also being able to make a nice 1/2 - 1 inch binding around the top of my bags. I was wondering if anyone has used a binding attachment with this machine for this purpose...or if the 2800 model is basically the 2750 with the binding attachment and i should just get that one. Haven't been able to see any videos on how the binder is attached or runs...or perhaps I just missed it Thanks for any input you might send my way

Best

Katrina

 

Edited September 2, 2017 by Appaloosa

[Uwe]

@Techsew Ron is your main resource for TechSew machines. 

The Techsew 2750 and the Techsew 2800 are actually very different machine designs - it's much more than just an added binder. The Techsew 2750 is based on the Juki LS-341 design, the Techsew 2800 is based on the vintage casting Pfaff 335  some mystery machine, perhaps a Seiko. Both are nice and capable designs, but they have little in common beyond being cylinder arm machines. Between the two, the Techsew 2800 design is better suited for binding operations, but also more of a narrow-range specialist. The 2800 also has a very slim cylinder arm, which is great if you need it, but it also requires a few engineering compromises like a feed dog that only moves back and forth but not up and down. The Techsew 2750 on the other hand is  less suited for binding (binding parts are hard to find, actually), but it has other advantages like bigger bobbin, vertical axis hook (and thus a thicker cylinder arm) which accommodates a larger material and needle range, and a full feed dog motion.

Edited September 3, 2017 by Uwe
Techsew 2800 is not a Pfaff 335 clone

[Appaloosa]

Thanks for your input Uwe, Happy I asked as much as I am looking for a cylinder arm machine for my projects the binding element is equally as important.  I believe I saw a you tube video of binding you demonstrated on an Adler 205-370 which looked awesome. Do you have any other suggestions on  clones like the Cowboy that would better accommodate what I am looking to achieve in a new machine. I am open to suggestions as I really just want to get the right machine for my needs and don't have much experience in the differences. Thanks again for your response!

 

Edited September 2, 2017 by Appaloosa

[Uwe]

I just made a correction in my previous comment. The Techsew 2800 is not really based on the Pfaff 335. I'm not what it's based on. Perhaps a Seiko, but I'm not sure. 

The Paff 355 and its various copies are very popular and capable binding machines. The Pfaff 335 comes in two versions - old casting and new casting.  Prices range from $1,500 to $3,000 

The Adler 205 is capable of the same type of synchronized binding (binder arm moves back and forth with the needle) as the smaller Pfaff 335  and Techsew 2800, but the cost of the Adler 205 binding setup is high. You're looking at around $500 just for binding parts kit. The Adler 205 class machines run well over $3,000 , whether it's a new clone or a workable original Durkopp Adler.  But there are things the Adler 205 will bind (like in that video) that none of the smaller machine will do. It all depends on what type of materials, material thickness, and thread size you need to work with on your projects. There's no point in pretending a smaller machine will do when it won't - when you need a big machine, you need a big machine.

I actually custom-built an Adler 205  binding workstation for one customer who needed to bind thick, tough, fireproof bag with a leather edge using Kevlar thread. That was several weeks of prototyping, testing, and development. That is the same machine from the video, by the way. 

Binding, in general, is an art and science and it has frustrated many people for years. I'm not really an expert in binding (aside from that one custom workstation project). People like @Hockeymender have been doing binding on Pfaff 335 and other machines for years, and may be able to offer suggestions. Oftentimes when a binding machine finally does what it is supposed to do, and well, people dedicate them as binding workstations and never use them for anything else.

[chuckgaudette]

I rarely use the binding attachment on my 335 because it take a lot time to set it up, and after I remove it,  it takes so long to get the machine perfectly set up again for regular sewing. Just not worth it for binding one bag.

[Appaloosa]

Thank you Uwe and Chuck

I am pretty happy with my Consew  for regular sewing and would most likely use the binding machine solely as a binding workstation. I am going to investigate further the Pfaff 335 and if I go with the Techsew it would be the 2800 then. Thanks for the correction.  I really do not want to spend 3000.00 + for an Adler machine solely for binding. I appreciate the referral to @Hockeymender  too Uwe. ! I have been looking through your You tube channel and you have an expansive depth of knowledge and experience. Amazing work!

[Techsew Ron]

On 9/2/2017 at 5:28 PM, Appaloosa said:

Hi Everyone!

I am 95% sure...  that I am ready to purchase a Tech Sew 2750 Pro to add to my sewing machine collection. I have read tons of reviews here re: different machines and I think the 2750 pro would be a good addition to my workshop. I primarily make handbags, purses, wallets, garments, jackets, vests and hats....and utilize tanned deer, elk, cow and buffalo hides....as well as different textiles. One of the important factors to not only getting the cylinder arm machine is also being able to make a nice 1/2 - 1 inch binding around the top of my bags. I was wondering if anyone has used a binding attachment with this machine for this purpose...or if the 2800 model is basically the 2750 with the binding attachment and i should just get that one. Haven't been able to see any videos on how the binder is attached or runs...or perhaps I just missed it Thanks for any input you might send my way

Best

Katrina

 

We have a custom binding attachment for the Techsew 2750 so this machine would be a good option if you want the binding option for infrequent use - if you're looking for a dedicated binding machine then I would recommend the Techsew 2800. On the Techsew 2800 it's is a bit more difficult to switch the binding and non-binding parts back and forth.

Give us a call with any other questions!

Ron

 

[Uwe]

@Techsew Ron how does that binding attachment actually attach to the arm? Is there an additional part? I'd love to see a picture of that binder installed on the Techsew 2750.

[Techsew Ron]

On 9/5/2017 at 11:16 AM, Uwe said:

@Techsew Ron how does that binding attachment actually attach to the arm? Is there an additional part? I'd love to see a picture of that binder installed on the Techsew 2750.

It basically goes right into the slide plate, here's one on the Techsew 2700:

http://www.techsew.com/techsew-2700-custom-binding-attachment.html

[Appaloosa]

On 9/6/2017 at 5:42 PM, Techsew Ron said:

It basically goes right into the slide plate, here's one on the Techsew 2700:

http://www.techsew.com/techsew-2700-custom-binding-attachment.html

Is it large enough to put leather binding through it and does it come in a wider size...say 1.5  or 1 3/4 inch binding tape size?

[Mark842]

 

1 hour ago, Appaloosa said:

Is it large enough to put leather binding through it and does it come in a wider size...say 1.5  or 1 3/4 inch binding tape size?

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[Uwe]

The page Ron linked to shows the different sizes available. Not sure if I'm helping or enabling. 

 

[Mark842]

I'm more interested in how thick the binding can be, not the width.

[Constabulary]

These "plain" binder attachments are most likely for thin fabric tape or bias tape. If you want to bind edges with lets say 1.5mm thick leather "tape" the above would probably fail doing the job. When I was hunting for binding attachments I figured almost no seller mentions the tape thickness you can use with a certain binder since most "expect" that you use bias tape as it is the most common. When you buy a biding attachment the thickness and width of the tape and the width of the mouth opening on the binder matters.

This attachment looks quite promising but check with the seller if is works for your purpose (tape width / mouth width)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CONSEW-225-226-Singer-111G-111W-211G-211U-211W-RAW-TAPE-BINDER-WIDE-MOUTH-CHOOSE-/391723527924?var=&hash=item5b348aaef4:m:mYIrxdPFJ4Ux6fcJPCE3_9Q

[RockyAussie]

4 hours ago, Mark842 said:

I'm more interested in how thick the binding can be, not the width.

In the past I have found that the softness/stretchiness of the leather means that for one leather the thickness needs to be this and another that. It is frustrating unless you do large runs of a colour and of the same type . On some jobs like bags I do binding but I don't bother with the binding attachments or for that matter even the dedicated binding machine I have.  Where fabric tapes tend to stay nice and true and run smoothly many leathers don't like to play by the same rules. In mostcases it is quicker to glue it in place and sew than the time to get everything set perfect to bind. Just my opinion. Brian

[Mark842]

6 hours ago, RockyAussie said:

In the past I have found that the softness/stretchiness of the leather means that for one leather the thickness needs to be this and another that. It is frustrating unless you do large runs of a colour and of the same type . On some jobs like bags I do binding but I don't bother with the binding attachments or for that matter even the dedicated binding machine I have.  Where fabric tapes tend to stay nice and true and run smoothly many leathers don't like to play by the same rules. In mostcases it is quicker to glue it in place and sew than the time to get everything set perfect to bind. Just my opinion. Brian

Yep..pretty much been my experience. Guess I just keep searching for the Holy Grail. I keep wanting to just try and make my own. it's on my list of about a 1000 other things that I'll never do because I just don't have the time...

[Appaloosa]

Thanks all for your responses and input!

Via  Atlanta Attachment Co. I did find out that you can call Atlanta and send them info of  what kind of machine you have and the width and thickness of your leather ( best to send a pieces of the leather you would be using for binding) and they can make you an attachment for your machine. So.... due to this option , I decided to purchase an Artisan 335 BT  (tabletop) and will be able to get Atlanta to make me a specific binder attachment for my machine and the leather thickness and width i use most for my tote bags. . I didn't ask about other machines but it might be worth a try if you are looking for a specific binder attachment. If you are not utilizing a binder very often I agree it is probably;y easier to glue and sew in place. I have gotten several orders for a particular bag I designed and I personally could use a binder attachment that will give me a nice finish in less time. So.... will see how this works out.

Edited September 10, 2017 by Appaloosa

[PheesOriginal]

Curious how this binding attachment worked out for you? Also did it take much prototyping fro them to get an attachment that suited your needs?