When was my Adler 67 made?

[chase97]

Here's the pic 

[Constabulary]

To me the 29K60 plate does not really look like an original  Singer plate. Would you please post pictures of the whole machine - especially the head from front and back and the hook with open needle plate and hook insert. I`m not sure it maybe the machine has a wrong tag and it is not a 29K60 - maybe it´s a 29K31

Edited November 29, 2017 by Constabulary

[Gregg From Keystone Sewing]

On 11/13/2017 at 7:09 PM, Uwe said:

As for your Adler 67GK373, I'm not aware of any resource for dating Adler machines by serial number.  You can narrow it down to within a decade or two by looking at dated documentation like parts lists etc. I'd place an Adler 67GK373 in the mid 70's to late 80's. The earliest mention of the Adler 67-GK373 I know of is January 1976 in a German language service manual (Adler-67-GK373-Justieranleitung.pdf  - I don't have an English version and I don't do translations, sorry!)  The parts list I have for the Adler 67-GK373 is dated 1982 (Adler 67-GK373 Parts List.pdf) .

A photo of the machine and type plate may provide clues to narrow down the date range. It's nice to know when a machine was built, but not the end of the world if you don't.

UWE,

I've go one better, see attached, 1973.  Though you may like to see this.

[Gregg From Keystone Sewing]

You can see the two different Eustachian pins, Singer would never send a machine out from the factory like that.

I would bet one US dollar that if we flip that brass plate, that there is a different model number on the other side.  Actually, it's pretty common, and if you remove enough of these tags and have a collection, you would see it for yourself.

 

 

[Uwe]

I'll have to add escutcheon pins to my vocabulary (the eustachian tube connects your middle ear to your throat.)

The type plate and pins do look a little suspect. Here's one reference I found of a Singer 29K60 with a detailed, original looking type plate with decorative pins and a modern, sans serif font used for marking (that machine's serial number points to 1945)

 

Edited November 29, 2017 by Uwe

[Uwe]

21 minutes ago, Gregg From Keystone Sewing said:

I've go one better, see attached, 1973.  Though you may like to see this.

I think the "GK" (Greifer Kupplung, i.e. hook clutch) models were a later addition to the family of Adler 67 machines. 

[chase97]

Oh my...   we've got a full blown conspiracy on our hands !   

I'll get some bigger pics asap.  Can't wait to hear more from you guys!  

One other note, I did discover that the head and the base were not made for each other.  You'll see why when I upload pics.  

[chase97]

I'll get a good pic of the hook and base later.  

[chase97]

6 hours ago, Gregg From Keystone Sewing said:

You can see the two different Eustachian pins, Singer would never send a machine out from the factory like that.

I would bet one US dollar that if we flip that brass plate, that there is a different model number on the other side.  Actually, it's pretty common, and if you remove enough of these tags and have a collection, you would see it for yourself.

 

 

if we flip that brass plate, that there is a different model number on the other side.

Why would one flip the model plate?   and change the model # ?  

Actually, it's pretty common, and if you remove enough of these tags and have a collection, you would see it for yourself.

And why is this common ?  

[Constabulary]

I already can tell from the pictures that this is NOT a 29K60 - it spears to be a large look machine (like the 29K60) but this definitive is an earlier model. I still bet its a 29K31.

The original 29K60 is a large hook machine with removable gear box / horn, it has a helical presser foot spring and NOT the blade spring on the backside of the machine. It pretty much looks like the later 29K72 but with minor differences (thread regulator f.i.)

3 hours ago, chase97 said:

Why would one flip the model plate?   and change the model # ?  

because of cheating customers - probably for "claiming" that this is a more modern model. I don´t say that the last owner did this but seems some one did it. But his plate does not look like a Singer plate at all - it spears to be too high and as mentioned the But you never know...

This is how the 29K60 should look like (treadle base is from  short arm patcher)

http://horsenharness.com/SINGERMACHINEFORSALE.html