Moderator Wizcrafts Posted January 26, 2018 Moderator Report Posted January 26, 2018 It just dawned on me that a Cowboy CB3500 or CB4500 with a stirrup plate would be a great combination for sewing close to center bar harness buckles. That plate is not only raised, it is also curved. Here are pix of mine. Note, that the feed dog must be removed to use this throat plate. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted January 26, 2018 Members Report Posted January 26, 2018 12 hours ago, Wizcrafts said: It just dawned on me that a Cowboy CB3500 or CB4500 with a stirrup plate would be a great combination for sewing close to center bar harness buckles. That plate is not only raised, it is also curved. Except for the fact that you lose thickness capacity and the feed dogs. Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted January 26, 2018 Moderator Report Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Big Sioux Saddlery said: Except for the fact that you lose thickness capacity and the feed dogs. True. But, there is still at least 3/8 inch capacity left on top of the stirrup plate on a CB4500. If you want to, mail me a sample of the strap you need to sew, that is giving you fits, and I will attempt to sew it on my CB4500, with the raised plate. I'll mail it back and take some pix of it being sewn. PM me for my address. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted January 26, 2018 Moderator Report Posted January 26, 2018 I just replied to the wrong poster! Doh! T Moore, in Medicine Hat, that offer to sew a sample strap was meant for you. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted January 26, 2018 Members Report Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wizcrafts said: True. But, there is still at least 3/8 inch capacity left on top of the stirrup plate on a CB4500. If you want to, mail me a sample of the strap you need to sew, that is giving you fits, and I will attempt to sew it on my CB4500, with the raised plate. I'll mail it back and take some pix of it being sewn. PM me for my address. When making equine equipment 3/8" just isn't very much. Think of it as this: would you buy a machine for making tack that only has 3/8" of an inch of height capacity? It'll be enough for some things, but not near enough for most, and even when it works, you will be maxxing the machine out all the time. You would find yourself thinning leather down to fit under the foot, in places you shouldn't be thinning leather down. Not saying that the stirrup plate set-up won't work for some straps/ buckles, but it's nowhere near enough for a shop that specializes in tack. Take that advice for what it cost ya. Having said all that, the CB4500 will work to sew the cart buckles in w/out the stirrup plate. Just not as handy as the hook and awl machines. I've got the pic that I promised last night, just have to get it on here. Edited January 26, 2018 by Big Sioux Saddlery Quote
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted January 26, 2018 Members Report Posted January 26, 2018 20 hours ago, JLD said: Hi Big Sioux could I see a picture of the "fish" sewing you mention please Sorry I am having a hard time with the visualisation. What machine are you using to do this on as well. Regards Johanne Here ya go, as you can see, the stitch pattern is in the shape of a crude line drawing of a fish:-). And also, as you can see, the 441 type machines can leave pretty deep foot marks. Just goes with the territory on that type of machine. Quote
Members Matt S Posted January 26, 2018 Members Report Posted January 26, 2018 On 1/25/2018 at 2:28 PM, Wizcrafts said: So, you have a flat throat plate on it? Is there a raised plate (stirrup) available, or can one be fabbed? I have seen pictures of raised plates for the #6, but I'm not aware of any in current production. The needle plate on a #6 is a very simple piece, I would imagine a machinist wouldn't have that much trouble fabbing one. I'm waiting til my tame chipwrangler gets back from his winter holiday to have him make me one. Quote
Members Big Sioux Saddlery Posted January 26, 2018 Members Report Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Matt S said: I have seen pictures of raised plates for the #6, but I'm not aware of any in current production. The needle plate on a #6 is a very simple piece, I would imagine a machinist wouldn't have that much trouble fabbing one. I'm waiting til my tame chipwrangler gets back from his winter holiday to have him make me one. Matt, does the #6 have no feed dogs? I know that it is a needle feed machine, but I've never actually seen one in person. If there are no feed dogs, then it would be very possible to make a raised plate that would work. Actually, T Moore, if you can do that, I'd keep the #6 and try to make that work. They are a highly coveted machine, and they don't make them anymore! Quote
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted January 26, 2018 Moderator Report Posted January 26, 2018 I second the vote to keep the #6 and have a raised throat plate made. I wish I had kept my Union Lockstitch. The bottom side of the leather on a jump foot, needle or awl feed machine is much closer to hand sewing than any machine that uses alternating feet. This is mainly because an inside foot pushes hard on the leather along the stitch line and forces the bottom to take the shape of the feed dog hole or throat plate slot. A jump foot machine doesn't have an inside alternating foot, thus the marks around the holes are much less pronounced. Did I mention that I wish I hadn't sold my ULS? LOL Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Members JLD Posted January 26, 2018 Members Report Posted January 26, 2018 Thank you for picture I get it now. Wha5 ma Hines did you use to sew tha5 on the stitches look good Sorry should read what machine Quote Johanne "Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly"
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