Juki 1341 questions

[R8R]

On 7/14/2018 at 7:22 PM, Uwe said:

 

Here's a picture of the binder kit for the LS-1342 just for reference and to give an idea of how many parts the binding kits contains:

 

 

Found a vid of this binder kit in action on Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkDIe08nejz/?taken-by=javran

Pretty sweet! Emailed them and they said the kit can be ordered from MJ Foley but it takes awhile.

Now a question - how different (if at all) are the various clones of the LS-1341 compared to the original Juki? Would the Juki binder kit work on a clone machine? There are some nice clones that include the vertical lift adjustment dial that the base model Juki does not have, and they are of course much cheaper. (Like a whole other sewing machine cheaper).

Thoughts? Or would I be inviting disaster trying to make binder kit fit onto a non-Juki machine where they modified the design when they cloned it?

Mainly looking at the Thor GC1341 or maybe the Sewpro.

[brmax]

I dont believe they are much different at all, in their design. It is possible the specifics are not as original, and many times at a start they arent.  

I first notice a clone brand just 2 months after finding a new in box juki1341, it was in a very low price range for the brand.  So with these new far east factories, it maybe worth looking into for your projects. 

At the time the 1342 was really a benefit I thought with the handy top knob for adjustment. I cannot recal the name. 

Thanks for the binder tip. 

 

Good day

Floyd

[JJN]

17 hours ago, R8R said:

Found a vid of this binder kit in action on Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkDIe08nejz/?taken-by=javran

Pretty sweet! Emailed them and they said the kit can be ordered from MJ Foley but it takes awhile.

Now a question - how different (if at all) are the various clones of the LS-1341 compared to the original Juki? Would the Juki binder kit work on a clone machine? There are some nice clones that include the vertical lift adjustment dial that the base model Juki does not have, and they are of course much cheaper. (Like a whole other sewing machine cheaper).

Thoughts? Or would I be inviting disaster trying to make binder kit fit onto a non-Juki machine where they modified the design when they cloned it?

Mainly looking at the Thor GC1341 or maybe the Sewpro.

I just contacted MJ Foley about the Juki binder for the 1341 and this is their reply.

" The items on the Juki brochure are discontinued and no longer manufactured.  WE have some generic items available from our catalog, but most often we create custom binders for peoples applications. "

I cannot understand why Juki would discontinue the only binding accessory they make for a currently manufactured machine.

 

 

[R8R]

19 minutes ago, JJN said:

I just contacted MJ Foley about the Juki binder for the 1341 and this is their reply.

" The items on the Juki brochure are discontinued and no longer manufactured.  WE have some generic items available from our catalog, but most often we create custom binders for peoples applications. "

I cannot understand why Juki would discontinue the only binding accessory they make for a currently manufactured machine.

 

 

Well... that's that.

Edited September 19, 2018 by R8R
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[R8R]

Ok so this steers me back to my original plan - a Techsew 2600 with their add-on binder kit. (Juki DSC-246 clone)

Only thing I'd miss out on is the square feed of the 1341 (which is nice), the vertical adjuster dial and a top loader bobbin. The sewing capacity is similar, right around 3/8" with 138 thread.

[R8R]

Just re-read a email from my local Juki distributor in SF. The LS-1341 is being phased out in north America and only the LS-2342 will be avail. And no sign of a synchro binder option for it.

Alrighty then!

[Uwe]

2 hours ago, JJN said:

I cannot understand why Juki would discontinue the only binding accessory they make for a currently manufactured machine.

 

I have a feeling they didn't sell many kits and it just wasn't worth bothering. At $526.91 ten years ago, it wasn't exactly cheap. Even today with more machines and clones in circulation, I'm estimating the potential customer base among the LW crowd who are willing to fork over that kind of money for a binder kit is in the very low single digits.

Most people in the business of binding don't bother trying to make off-the-shelf binders work. They just have a custom binder made that is perfect for one single application.

Juki may still make and sell some individual items in the kit, I'm not sure.

Here's a screenshot of the Juki 2008 parts price list:

 

[JJN]

I have the swing-forward edge guide, part #1 in the photo. The Fixing Binder Fitting Plate, part #4, can be switched out on the edge guide and have a generic binder attached to it. Juki wants $68 for the plate #4. I think I will make one for about $1. It will not be a synchronized binder, but should work just fine.

 

[R8R]

The Juki America parts website shows the binder kit for the LS-1342 is in stock, (214-34956) but for the LS-1341 it's back-ordered. (and probably will never come back)

I know dedicated binder operations usually mean a custom binder attachment, but it's weird they would eliminate the parts kit that make the machine a synchronous binder in the first place, and no apparent replacement for it for the LS-2342. That leaves the DSC-246 as the only synchro option in Juki's lineup, which have clones readily available (and which I'll probably go with).

 

[Uwe]

For what it's worth, the Juki LS-2342 Parts List (Juki LS-2342 Parts List.pdf) does show a set of synchronized binder parts on Page 57:

Notably, the set of parts includes a vertical feed cam, apparently to "turn off" the vertical feed dog movement for binding mode.

Second notable detail is that the Feed Plate A arm (part #3) rests on top of the feed dog (with a registration pin) and has a knurled tip, which acts as the actual bottom feeding surface.

Looks like they put some thought into this.

Cost of the Juki LS-2342 binder parts set is $601 on the Juki Americas online parts store:

 

Edited September 20, 2018 by Uwe