Members plinkercases Posted October 10, 2018 Members Report Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) This is a fascinating machine. advertised as hand crank singer but the treadle still has a belt AND it look like there is motor attached somehow...I think thats what the power cord is for unless the motor is just stuck in the picture? cant really tell and it seems like the power cord is tie wrapped to the machine neck? anyhow assuming the motor is not a part of the set up this looks like a fascinating machine. What is it? what can it handle? looks heavier duty than a patcher?. Edited October 10, 2018 by plinkercases Quote "Oh my God....I beseech thee grant me the grace to remain in Thy Presence; and to this end do Thou prosper me with Thy assistance, receive all my works, and possess all my affections" Brother Lawrence c.1614-1691 plinkercases.ca
Members dikman Posted October 10, 2018 Members Report Posted October 10, 2018 It looks like a slightly weird setup. That looks like a clutch motor mounted behind and you can just see a belt (black) going to the large pulley. The smaller pulley then has a belt (brown, presumably leather) connecting the crank wheel, BUT I can't see any obvious way of controlling the speed of the motor. If it's connected like it appears, then the motor is going to drive the large handwheel and the pedal while operating the machine. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Moderator Wizcrafts Posted October 10, 2018 Moderator Report Posted October 10, 2018 No matter how it is powered, that is and always will be a Singer 29k-something patch machine. I can't tell if it has a small or large bobbin. The model number will reveal that. Singer patchers max out at 1/4 inch under the claw foot. You can sometimes coax them into sewing 5/16", but the foot will really claw up the top grain. Most small bobbin patchers max out with #69 bonded thread. You can use #92 if the machine is tight enough to pull the thread ahead for another stitch. The stitch length varies with the thickness under the foot. A factory condition 29k can sew up to 5 stitches per inch, at 1/8 inch, declining as the work gets thicker. A worn out feed mechanism will be lucky to get 7 or 8 per inch. This would be a great machine for sewing patches onto Bikers' vests and jackets, especially if it is motorized (you can guide the work with both hands). Stitch length won't matter if you use the same color thread as the embroidered edges. It can also sew shoe and boot uppers and small zippers, plus purse strap tabs. Quote Posted IMHO, by Wiz My current crop of sewing machines: Cowboy CB4500, Singer 107w3, Singer 139w109, Singer 168G101, Singer 29k71, Singer 31-15, Singer 111w103, Singer 211G156, Adler 30-7 on power stand, Techsew 2700, Fortuna power skiver and a Pfaff 4 thread 2 needle serger.
Evo160K Posted October 10, 2018 Report Posted October 10, 2018 This one looks similar. I believe it belongs to LW member Shoepatcher. He'll know the details of the one in the ad. Quote
CowboyBob Posted October 10, 2018 Report Posted October 10, 2018 Like Wiz said it's a 29 something,there's a model# on the brass tag behind the wheel ask them what it is & let us know. Quote Bob Kovar Toledo Industrial Sewing Machine Sales Ltd. 3631 Marine Rd Toledo,Ohio 43609 1-866-362-7397
Members shoepatcher Posted October 10, 2018 Members Report Posted October 10, 2018 That looks like a 29K51 or 53. Like Bob said, model # with be on the front brass plate. glenn Send us a few more pics if you can. glenn Quote
Members Yetibelle Posted October 10, 2018 Members Report Posted October 10, 2018 I will bet its a 29k51. A great machine other than the small bobbin size that is common on 29 machines. I like the hand wheel on the side, those parts are harder to find. Quote One day I hope to learn how to sew..... Singer 111W155 - Singer 29-4 - Singer 78-1 - Singer 7-31 - Singer 109w100 - Singer 46W-SV-16 - Adler 20-19 - Cowboy CB-4500
Members Constabulary Posted October 10, 2018 Members Report Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) Not a 29K51 - 53 - it has a blade spring on the back side - the 29K5x subclass have helical presser foot spring it the head and no blade springs on the backside. I guess its an earlier 29K3 / K4 or the like. But its the later type treadle base. Edited October 10, 2018 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members shoepatcher Posted October 11, 2018 Members Report Posted October 11, 2018 Folker. You are correct. 51 and 53 have the vertical spring for foot tension. I missed that. That means it is probably 29k1 thru 22 Quote
Members dikman Posted October 11, 2018 Members Report Posted October 11, 2018 Ok, so we sort of have a model number range, that's good, but I'm more interested in why it appears to have a clutch (?) motor apparently attached. Any more photos, plinker? Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members Constabulary Posted October 11, 2018 Members Report Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, dikman said: Ok, so we sort of have a model number range, that's good, but I'm more interested in why it appears to have a clutch (?) motor apparently attached. Any more photos, plinker? smartass mode on: uuuuhm - for sewing? - smartass mode off. It´s no too unsual to run a patcher with a clutch motor. Adler even had a clutch motor mount for their caliber 30 machines - will look for pictures... Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members Constabulary Posted October 11, 2018 Members Report Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) Patcher motor mount (not mine) Edited October 11, 2018 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members dikman Posted October 11, 2018 Members Report Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Constabulary said: smartass mode on: uuuuhm - for sewing? - smartass mode off. Yeah, ok, I sort of asked for that I guess. I was referring to the apparently peculiar way it appears to be connected......where, for example, is the speed control? It has me intrigued. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
Members plinkercases Posted October 11, 2018 Author Members Report Posted October 11, 2018 These are the only photos as it is an add but the vendor says "yes it has an industrial motor attached and a variable speed foot pedal"..... too far away for me to go see but man it caught my attention with all its uniqueness. Quote "Oh my God....I beseech thee grant me the grace to remain in Thy Presence; and to this end do Thou prosper me with Thy assistance, receive all my works, and possess all my affections" Brother Lawrence c.1614-1691 plinkercases.ca
Members dikman Posted October 11, 2018 Members Report Posted October 11, 2018 Thanks plinker, obviously not a clutch motor then. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
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